This article is scheduled for Solidarity 3/85.
Barry Finger says in Solidarity 3/80: "Look at the trajectory of Alan Johnson". Johnson the late-vintage Blairite, he suggests, may hold up to AWL the mirror of its own future.
Wow - that's vile. Now the Sparts have gone it takes a good rummage a long way down into the achives to find such polemics.
It reminds me of those great 80's IBs about Thornet and Lister -'Enough is Enough', 'Alas Smith and Jones' and '60 Lies and Myths' (although maybe Lister wrote that one: I don't remember). Back then these polemics were gestetnered onto recylced paper, with good reason they were marked 'confidential' and our youngsters gathered together to read them and giggle and revel in Sean's great turn of phrase. (Co-incidently, only this week a former member from Scotland who I hadnt seen for 25 years told me his favourite line was the description of Thornet as 'subterrainian poison')
The AWL/SO has spent years building up a reputation as the fluffy, thinking man's Marxists. The decent left-group. That's your USP. Why risk such a reputation by giving the outside world this peak into your living room?
I just wanted to thank Alan Johnson for Democratiya. I suspect this is going to be the new NLR.
Democratiya is something that the left needs. Is the AWL's role in this really going to be that of court jester? It is the politics that's important. Not Sean's showboating and amateur psychology. Sean's grumpy old man impression is great fun, but surely he's capable of so much more.
Interestingly, there is a letter from the AWL (and not a critical one) in Democratiya. Doesn't this undermine the argument that AWL cannot be associated with Alan Johnson's politics? If the AWL doesn't want to leave the perception that it is a First Camp organization, why associate with Democratiya? The best way for Sean to convince people of the argument about Alan Johnson is to adopt Barry's troops out slogan immediately.
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Ravi writes 'Interestingly, there is a letter from the AWL (and not a critical one) in Democratiya'
So if the AWL is so super-critical of Alan Johnson as Sean seems to claim, why would this appear here? See link below. It seems the AWL is constantly in danger of verging on the First Camp.
The most striking thing in JA's exchanges with Pete R and Arthur Bough is that — plainly — she just can't understand why AWL has turned sharply hostile to Alan Johnson, herself and the other Blairite ex-socialists in the LFIQ (and "ex-socialists" is the proper term, whether she knows it or not). Or why AWL might feel the need publicly to dissociate from them. What, after all, have they done that is so terrible? What, between old comrades is a little — or even a lot! — of belly-crawling and bootlicking to Tory Blair and his American allies, eh? Or with lining up with the Blairites at Labour Party "Conference"? And what's so wrong about Johnson's quasi-loony fanzine stuff on Blair? Just a little bit of harmless eccentricity! Where's your pluralism, AWL? In a little book about her years organising a women's football team, which she published in the late 90s, Ashworth said of her youth that, before she wised up, she sublimated her obsession with football in working as a political organiser, "bossing students". (I don't have a copy, so the quote is from memory, but that is the gist of it.) Politics? Just a bit of fun! A game, in the eternal fight against boredom. Shame on AWL for being so uptight! Loosen up, comrades!
And think what nasty polemics will do to AWL's reputation. Pointing out that before he became a Blairite, Johnson had been more SWP than AWL — that's vile! She seems unable to grasp the fact that failure to seperate itself, sharply and unambiguously, from Johnson — and Ashworth — would do far greater harm to AWL's "reputation" (the political one which we care about)?
She takes refuge in weary I've-seen-it-all-before little middle-aged cognoshintiesque observations on political technique, and "chimes at midnignt" reminiscences of ancient political disputes. Remember that polemic back in eighty-whatever? Oh, how young and innocent we were! Ha! ha! ha! Remember poor old Alan Thornett backing the Argentine junta during the Falklands War? Ha! ha! ha! ha! (Oh my aching sides!)
Doesn't she notice that she and her friends are now in the "there-are-only-two-camps-and-you-must-choose-one-of-them" Alan Thornett school of politics?
Now as then, Thornett is on the pseudo anti-imperialist side. And what would have been the equivalent of the politics of LFIQ now, applied to the Falklands War? Back Thatcher! No? Why not? Britain (backed by Ronald Reagan's America) was defending the democratic rights of the Falklanders. That really was the cause of the war. We never pretended otherwise; and we were not deterred from saying that the Argentinians should get out of the Faulklands by the fact that Thatcher — whose direct political progeny Blair is — said it too, and was prepared to go to war to enforce it.
In fact the Falklands war had a better claim that the Iraq war to the support of socialists: there was no equivalent there of the US economic looting in Iraq; no bombing or occupation of Argentina; no slaughter of civilians; the Junta was overthrown by mass popular action by Argentinians, seizing the chance give by the Junta's defeat in the Falklands war. If socialists had had to join one camp in that dispute, then it would have had to be that of Thatcher! (An awareness that was not entirely foreign to us then, either...)
Though we were careful not to say or do anything that would imply endorsing the Argentinian Junta, we did not back Thatcher. We kept the overall picture in mind. We did not "forget" who and what Thatcher was — or who and what we are. Then as now we were "Third camp" socialists (though we didn't call ourselves that then), concerend to mantain working class political independence from both war camps.
We did not lose our heads and hail Thatcher — whose war did indirectly helped topple the Junta — and Reagan as righteous enemies of Argentine quasi-fascism and — though they were certainly crusaders against Stalinism — crusaders for bourgeois democracy, who had to be supported.
Obviously we were wrong. Looking back, we should have supported Thatcher then, shouldn't we? Ha! ha! ha! How unsophisticated, how earnest, how unrealistic, how very young and naive we were then, eh? Revolutionary socialists fighting for independent working class politics, that's what we thought we were! Ha! ha! ha! ha! How quaint! How stupid! Youth, eh?
And how ridiculously shocked and outraged we were at Thatchers policies in Britain — "we social democrats", as the foolish Johnson puts it, who have since learned to love Thatcherism in its Blairite manifestation. Time, eh? Middle aged softening of the brAins and backbones!
Just as Alan Johnson's call, "Let Blair Be Blair" (See Solidarity 84) was a — risibly coy — way of saying "Let Blair Be Johnson!" (and Ashworth!), so, too, AWL's attitude to political renegades who go over to the bourgeoisie — and that is what it is, Jane — is a way of saying, insisting upon and underlining something central about ourselves and our politics.
If she ever lets herself grasp the politics of the dispute between AWL and the LFIQ, there may, just, be hope for Ashworth yet; she might even understand what the fuss now is about. But that would mean becoming a socialist again. Ha! ha! ha! Don't be ridiculous!
Quite right Old Trot. For the political regeneration of the Fourth International in the Falklands/Malvenas!
It should have been the Falkland/Malvenas workers who drove out the Argentinian sub-imperialists, not Thatcher!
For a Working Class Falklands/Malvenas militia!
For a workers Government in the Falklands/Malvenas!
If only we'd recruited a few more people in the Falklands/Malvenas, the global revolution might have started there - with a bloody nose to both Galtieri and Thatcher! Lets re-double our efforts. Leninise! Educate! Take ourselves seriously.
This is typical of the AWL's trademark combination of left imperialism and sectarianism.
They call 'Labour Friends of Iraq' Blairite - and denounce it.
But their own 'Engage-Online' initiative is one big apology for Zionist racism.
Who can tell the difference?
I have been reading the WL website for a few months now - I found it through Harry's Place (the water cooler of the anti-totalitarian left). At Harry's there is political discussion, a few loonies, a sense of humour. HP and Norm have shown that it is possible to be anti-totalitarian and still on the left. I thought AWL was similar. Am I right that Sean Matganma is one of the leaders of AWL? I am amazed that there is so much of interest on your website - and then you denounce 'apostates' and 'turncoats' as though you were the prosecutor in a Stalinist show trial. Nick cohen, David Aaronovitch and Johan Hari have shown that you don't have to be a fruitloop to be on the left. That you don't have to denounce 'Zionism' - that you don't have to support the jihadi-fundamentalists - that you can still be for lesbian and gay rights and for trade unions - without moving to the right.
People who seem serious have told me that AWL is not a relious sect. It seems obvious now that they were acting out of loyalty to their own political childhoods. The language of the Ayatollahs is not the language of the anti-totalitarian left.
It seems that this is the underlining motive to most of the contributions made to this topic so far. Well I think it is very necessary for a clear distinction to be made between the AWL and the politics of Alan Johnson. Sean never pulls punches whether it is with the likes of Galloway or with Alan Johnson. (Nor for that matter does Alan himself). Is it necessary? Yes it is!
I have contempt for the idiots of the SWP, when I hear them as I did again last night excuse the mass bombings of Shi'ites as a natural reaction to the US occupation. But equally damaging to the principles of socialist solidarity are those who have so lost the plot that they heap praise on Blair and the purpose of the US/UK occupation.
Alan's endorsement of Blair is fairly open and the purpose and intention of the occupation is naively taken by him as Blair (and Bush) present it.
It is not that Alan is an apostate. It is that Alan was long associated with our view and that, even up to year ago was untruthfully claiming to be speaking for a part of the AWL that he was not even a member of!
Identification with those who support the occupation and those who led the war and take responsibility for the actions of the occupying army can only do damage to anyone who is an internationalist or a socialist.
Nothing would be better for the pro-Islamist SWP left than for democratic socialist internationalists to be confused, either with Hitchens and his open support for Bush, or Alan Johnson and his open support for Blair. Clear lines have to be drawn.
The really reprehensible thing about LFI is not its political line, which is familiar enough from hundreds of neo-con sites, but the way that it tries to present its politics as the expression of the Iraqi labour movement.
LFI seizes on violence against the Iraqi union movement by reactionary parts of the insurgency, and seeks to tarnish the whole of the anti-war left with the brush of this violence, but it never discusses the violence and repression the occupiers of Iraq and their puppet government visit upon Iraqi workers. It ignored the June 28th atrocity against the demonstrators of the Unemployed Union of Iraq, and the violent suppression of the Kut textile workers' strike in March, because these acts were committed by the puppet Iraqi government.
Likewise, LFI seldom acknowledges that the Iraqi left and labour movement opposed the war and oppose the occupation. When the major Iraqi trade union bodies issued their historic joint statement against the invasion and occupation earlier this year, LFI put it on their site in PDF format, which made it much harder to access and link to, and didn't give it any comment at all.
I've just been to the LFI site and done a search using the words 'decree 875': nothing came up, yet this decree, which extends the ban on unions in Iraq to the IFTU, has been repeatedly raised by the IFTU and IWU in recent months as an attempt by the occupiers and their government to 'crush' the Iraqi union movement. While the last sliver of hope for a legal union movement in Iraq disappears, LFI spends its time attacking George Galloway.
The invasion and occupation of Iraq looks increasingly like one of the biggest disasters in the history of US imperialism. The number of people prepared to take the rationalisations of the neo-cons and Blair loyalists seriously is vanishingly small. In these conditions, the attempt to make out that the invasion and occupation have the support of the Iraqi labour movement is a necessary manoeuvre for latter-day Kiplings like Ashworth and Johnston. Real leftists should make sure that these fraudsters do not get away with their sordid little deceptions, by making sure that the real positions of the Iraqi left and labour movement get out to the public.
Pete writes: 'It is not that Alan is an apostate. It is that Alan was long associated with our view and that, even up to year ago was untruthfully claiming to be speaking for a part of the AWL that he was not even a member of!'
When, where, what are you talking about?
In email correspondence that I had with Alan (and I know he had said to others), he argued that his support for the troops was what Sean Matgamna believed but was unable to say for fear of causing a fight within the AWL.
Unbelievable to anyone who really knows Sean or anyhting of the AWL, but Alan appears to have believed it. I can look for quotes if you like but I'm sure Alan wouldn't dispute this.
Pete writes of Alan predicting a change of line coming from the AWL and lead by Sean... 'Unbelievable to anyone who really knows Sean or anyhting of the AWL, but Alan appears to have believed it.'
Doesn't sound that unbelivable to me. But I am not surprised you find it 'unbelievable'
You probably said a change of line on the Mid -East was unbelievable in 78 - in fact you did say that.
You probably said Sean's postion on the convergence with SO was unbelievable in 83 - in fact you did say that.
You probably said Sean's positon on the troops and Ireland was unbelievable - in fact you did say that.
You were also against the SO turn in 79.
In fact - you have always been up there amongst the last to see a change in line coming your way.
Call Alan's assertion 'unbelievable' if you want but for sure anyone who knows you won't take comfort in your perspicasity.
And anyone who is new to the orbit of the AWL and does think your judgement is to be trusted, well, they should look at your own poll in the last general election when you stood for the Socialst Alliance on your own patch. What was your poll? 780 odd, I think.
An adventure indeed - and a bloody waste of time which you should have been able to predict, see coming, anticipate...just like all the other oncoming trains which you havn't noticed over the years but should have been able to see coming.
Pete - you have forgotten who you are talking to. You cant get away with trading on 'insider knowledge' with us.
Nick has answered this fully but just one more little point about the General Election.
Ironically, the last time I met Alan Johnson was the AWL Summer School in 2002 I believe. Alan came to me with a proposal... that after I had stood in the General Election 2001, I should stand again in 2005. So maybe my judgement isn't the only one that should be questioned.
If anything changed between the time of Alan's proposal to me and 2005, it was a huge collapse in the popularity of the government, especially a massive collapse of the vote of your man, Blairite John Heppell. Our campaign wasn't able to prevent these votes going to the Lib Dems. For my comments at the time see this.
But even the Blairites didn't want to draw much attention to their war and occupation record during the election, as you would probably have wanted them to. If they had, their result would have been far worse.
Oh, and Jane, (it is you isn't it?) you were an advisor to Oona King during the election I believe. I shouldn't try to advise anyone about elections after that, if I were you!
Yes Pete, it is me - not hiding but had techi. trouble logging in.
Nick, It isn't that I think Sean is personally scared. How would I know if he is or isn't? And if I were privy to such personal details then they wouldnt be for sharing. Enough!
Positions evolve and I think your line will change. Positions evolve probably for a million reasons including the pressure of external events, because of their own logic or, I guess, sometimes under the weight of new theoretical insight.
On this occasasion its your own logic that sells the pass. Within your position, (summarised as) defeating the resistance is primary to avoid untold reaction, lies the new one. But I do understand it would be irresponsible of a leadership to change the line right now. You would be commiting suicide to come out as pro-troops until the rest of left understands the resistance to be fascistic or until you are prepared to leave the 'trot family'.
Sometimes the leadership has to wait until the time is right before reopeneing the debate. And you know this. Take the change in positon over the middle east. It took from 78 til c84 for Sean (and me too from 81 onwards as Sean kindly notes in the lead piece this thread) to change the line on Israel/Palestine. For one thing we had to wait until we'd thrown out Thornet (and as it happens the timing of that wasn't an accident either. The move to the endgame with Thornet didnt just happen - it was planned for. We waited and then we moved fast)
Back to Iraq: I might be wrong and your commitment to belonging to the 'left family' prove strong enough to prevent a change of line. The key is that Pete's judgement on this matter is not a solid. He has often been the last to see change coming -one of the last to have read the subtext, to have anticpated the next stage and understood the drivers within the existing position.
Pete, it isn't that you or Oona lost. (And you overstate my role in Bethnal Green by a very great deal) Its that you should have been able to see what a waste of time it was for you to stand.
It should have been obvious to anyone who can read a political situation that you had neither a positive local climate or the numbers of people ready to footslog to make the effort pay off. It was a daft, and possibly a voluntarstic misjudgment.
You write as though the AWL is indifferent to the outcome of the battle between the troops and 'the resistance'.
It isn't. Since the troops went in your positon has been that, when pushed, if one side or the other has to win, you'd rather the resistance lost.
Jeez, even I know that's your line. Its been in your paper.
I think I might say lots of things 'if pushed'. Surely the whole point is trying to build a different force which can win instead of either of them. That doesn't mean I couldn't care less whether there's a bourgeois democracy or an Islamist state, but it's rather different emphasis and way of looking at it than 'not being indifferent' to 'the' battle 'between the troops and the resistance'. Is that 'the' battle?
'not being indifferent' to 'the' battle 'between the troops and the resistance'. Is that 'the' battle?'
Unless you are playing dungeons and dragons it is. Like you, I'd rather it wasn't but it is.
THe fate of the working class is inextricably bound up with the fate of the first camp. Recognising this doesn't necessitate surrendering independent organisational forms, or believing waging class conflict isnt nec.
Either that or you repeat the worst mistake of Trotskyism - the Cannonite positon of WW2. And I thought you'd moved on from that.
Fighting for working class independence may be dungeon and dragons to you, but not us. You say that the fate of the working class is 'inextricably bound up with the fate of the first camp' i.e. Iraqi workers are dependent on US good favour and intentions.
Well given that it now looks as though Bush is planning his exit strategy after passing over as much power as he can to Islamists he trusts, one can only presume that Iraqi workers are pretty well finished, in your view.
In reply to The fantasy is believing Bush stands for democracy by Pete
Why will you not accept I am for independant working class organisation? Even a half-baked liberal bourgeois is too, as are elements of the State Dept. Regardless of any other considerations, unions are critical for civil society to operate.
I've said this a thousand times and I'll say it again...my positon is more akin to the ILP in WW2. Your's repeats the monsterous error of Cannon and yet you insist on pretending my line is a lift from the CPs.
Seems quite dingeons and dragonsy to me to think that if 'the troops' 'win' 'the battle' the result will be democracy. I don't think WW2 is a very reliable guide in this respect.
There has been considerable movement towards democracy since the fall of Saddam. But to put it down to 'the troops' winning the battle is, shall we say, a bit simplistic.
You are right to say reducing the battle for democracy down to 'troops' is too simple.
I should instead say something like, 'the UN backed process for creating a self-governing Iraq based on direct elections which is underpinned by the troops (inadequate and criminal though they sometimes are)and contingent upon their military and poltical defeat'
As I said, the letter in Democratiya from the AWL would give the impression of continued links (of some kind) between Alan Johnson and the AWL.
You said this before...please provide the link to the AWL letter in Democratiya
"I am the originator of a secret society. We have taken upon ourselves the task of exposing corruption in government. We investigate corrupt politicians, and expose their corruption to the newspapers. We have brought down a few mighty men." He said this last with some pride.
Holmes interrupted, "Have you destroyed any innocent men?"
"We are very careful. But, it is possible that we have made mistakes."
"What is the name of your society?"
"We have no name. It reflects our efforts to remain humble, and not claim credit for our successes." I thought that our visitor seemed rather proud of his humility.
"Go on," said Holmes.
"Recently, one of the members of our society noticed that he was being followed. And one of my coded letters had been opened and sloppily resealed. We communicate with each other with letters written in code. Some of the other members are sure that our code has been broken. I have tried to reassure them that the code is unbreakable. But they won't listen. I'm afraid that our society will break up soon, unless I can convince them of the security of our code."
What? Can anyone translate this?
"the US/UK/UN transformationmal project triumphed than see a taliban-like regime insalled"
The "triumph" of these forces will be the installation of a Taliban-like regime, that's the point!
The dynamic of the occupation since it began has been to hand power to the most backwards, right-wing tribalist and ethno-sectarian forces in Iraq. The US/UK ruling-classes want to cut and run from Iraq and leave it in the hands of people like Allawi or Sistani. Even the Mahdi has been co-opted into the state apparatus in some areas.
The counterposition Jane draws - between some kind of liberal, bourgeois-democratic, "US/UK/UN" occupation and the fascistic resistance - is false. The occupation vs the resistance is fascists vs fascists and we don't take sides.
I'm not sure it's right that they are 'fascists vs fascists'. Sistani is not a fascist, for sure - he's a clerical leader, obviously, and socially conservative, but on the scale of these things a relative liberal. The Da'wa Party is sort of 'constitutional Islamist'. The most unpleasant of the Islamists on the Interim (and probable post-December) government side are SCIRI, who are heavily backed by Iran. But I'm not sure even they are really fascists.
On the other side, the Sunni extremists are fascistic in the broadest sense. In a way, Muqtada's movement is the closest, I think, to classical European fascism - with its broad base among the most dispossessed, but with a middle class layer, also, inherited from his father's movement. (And of course, as you say, they are being incorporated into the state; and reps of Muqtada are now openly involved in the same electoral list as Sciri etc).
That the 'legalistic' Islamists aren't fascists doesn't mean they're our allies, of course. But I would beware of crude generalisations and false labelling. There is a form of bourgeois democracy being installed in Iraq - truncated, etc etc. But it would be wrong to think that if the Sciri/Da'wa (Sistani in the background) list wins the election that it's only fascism coming to power. Things are quite bleak in Iraq, I think, but not that bleak.
Would you take sides if you agreed it were fascists vs bourgeois democracy with the labour movement being too small to stand alone?
Of course you would...presumably thats why you insist both sides are fascists
My how the creature became cleverer and cleverer. But try as it might to assimilate to its surroundings and the culture of its hosts it could not disguise the fact that it was quite alien and not only in appearance. And quite so much as simply not to be able to register or understand what its hosts were discussing or the meaning of what they were saying.
This is taken from a right wing/neo-con journal. But what if its right?
Iraq's a lost cause? Ask the real experts
WHEN IT COMES to the future of Iraq, there is a deep disconnect between those who have firsthand knowledge of the situation — Iraqis and U.S. soldiers serving in Iraq — and those whose impressions are shaped by doomsday press coverage and the imperatives of domestic politics.
A large majority of the American public is convinced that the liberation of Iraq was a mistake, while a smaller but growing number thinks that we are losing and that we need to pull out soon. Those sentiments are echoed by finger-in-the-wind politicians, including many — such as John Kerry, Harry Reid, John Edwards, John Murtha and Bill Clinton — who supported the invasion.
Yet in a survey last month from the U.S.-based International Republican Institute, 47% of Iraqis polled said their country was headed in the right direction, as opposed to 37% who said they thought that it was going in the wrong direction. And 56% thought things would be better in six months. Only 16% thought they would be worse.
American soldiers are also much more optimistic than American civilians. The Pew Research Center and the Council on Foreign Relations just released a survey of American elites that found that 64% of military officers are confident that we will succeed in establishing a stable democracy in Iraq. The comparable figures for journalists and academics are 33% and 27%, respectively. Even more impressive than the Pew poll is the evidence of how our service members are voting with their feet. Although both the Army and the Marine Corps are having trouble attracting fresh recruits — no surprise, given the state of public opinion regarding Iraq — reenlistment rates continue to exceed expectations. Veterans are expressing their confidence in the war effort by signing up to continue fighting.
Now, it could be that the Iraqi public and the U.S. armed forces are delusional. Maybe things really are on an irreversible downward slope. But before reaching such an apocalyptic conclusion, stop to consider why so many with firsthand experience have more hope than those without any.
FOR STARTERS, one can point to two successful elections this year, on Jan. 30 and Oct. 15, in which the majority of Iraqis braved insurgent threats to vote. The constitutional referendum in October was particularly significant because it marked the first wholesale engagement of Sunnis in the political process. Since then, Sunni political parties have made clear their determination to also participate in the Dec. 15 parliamentary election. This is big news. The most disaffected group in Iraq is starting to realize that it must achieve its objectives through ballots, not bullets.
There are also positive economic indicators that receive little or no coverage in the Western media. For all the insurgents' attempts to sabotage the Iraqi economy, the Brookings Institution reports that per capita income has doubled since 2003 and is now 30% higher than it was before the war. Thanks primarily to the increase in oil prices, the Iraqi economy is projected to grow at a whopping 16.8% next year. According to Brookings' Iraq index, there are five times more cars on the streets than in Saddam Hussein's day, five times more telephone subscribers and 32 times more Internet users.
The growth of the independent media — a prerequisite of liberal democracy — is even more inspiring. Before 2003 there was not a single independent media outlet in Iraq. Today, Brookings reports, there are 44 commercial TV stations, 72 radio stations and more than 100 newspapers.
But aren't bombs still going off at an alarming rate? Of course. It's almost impossible to stop a few thousand fanatics who are willing to commit suicide to slaughter others.
Yet there is hope on the security front. Since the Jan. 30 election, not a single Iraqi unit has crumbled in battle, according to Army Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, who until September was in charge of their training. Iraqi soldiers are showing impressive determination in fighting the terrorists, notwithstanding the terrible casualties they have taken. Their increasing success is evident on "Route Irish," from Baghdad International Airport. Once the most dangerous road in Iraq, it is now one of the safest. The last coalition fatality there that was a result of enemy action occurred in March.
This is not meant to suggest that everything is wonderful in Iraq. The situation remains grim in many respects. But the most disheartening indicator of all is simply the American public's loss of confidence in the war effort. Abu Musab Zarqawi may be losing on the Arab street (his own family has disowned him), but he's winning on Main Street. And, as the Vietnam War showed, defeatism on the home front can become self-fulfilling.
1. The short answer to Arthur is this. In the areas controlled by the Transitional Government and the US/UK, the new Iraqi labour movement still operates, more or less, and with much harassment. In the areas controlled by the "resistance", it can't. US brutality, arrogance, ineptness, corruptionn is pushing towards an extinction, one way or another, of the little leeway the new Iraqi labour movement has. We oppose the US. Its policy is leading towards catastrophe. But why make our slogan "catastrophe now"?
The Federation of Workers' Councils and Unions had its conference in Baghdad, a short while ago, in the Palestine Hotel. The Palestine Hotel is not actually in the Green Zone, but it is one of the buildings in Baghdad heavily guarded by the Americans in the same way as the Green Zone. The FWCUI opposes the US troops - vehemently. It is absolutely clear that it gives the US troops no endorsement, no support, no political credit. But it calculated, rightly, that it could hold its conference in that hotel with relatively little risk of it being attacked by the Islamists. So we should demand the US troops clear away "now" so that the Islamists can destroy the conference? Now! This minute! Without even waiting for the trade-unionists to conclude a bit of business and then disperse to safe places before the Islamists arrive! (Plainly, of course, it would be a demand on the local US general, not on any working-class force). Why make that demand? It would be like yelling "cops out now" on an anti-fascist demonstration where we are surrounded by much larger numbers of fascists.
2. The even shorter answer is, Troops Out Now cannot be anything other than a demand on Bush. If the working class were in a position to force troops out - or defeat the Islamists - "now", then we would be in an entirely different situation. Adding the "now" to "troops out" makes it unambiguously and clearly a demand on Bush, and not on the working class, to sort the situation out - by handing over to the Sunni-supremacists...! Why does Arthur want to make that demand on Bush? Or why does he want to raise a demand which to him, privately, means something completely different (working-class mobilisation, etc., and actually not "now", but when the workers are strong enough) from what it means literally, and to the vast majority of listeners? We should not add to the too-long history of Trotskyists raising demands which they justify to themselves by "revolutionary" private interpretations but which literally, and to almost all listeners, mean something different ("Labour Take The Power", etc.)
3. The ILP did not support World War Two! In fact, with its pacifist bent, it was if anything more "anti-war" than the Trotskyists (Cannonites) with their "proletarian war policy".