Trade unionists for two states
These basic policies on Israel-Palestine — policies which allow a way forward through building working-class unity across the divides — were adopted by the Executive of the Communication Workers’ Union in 2002.
Trade Unionists For Two States: Palestine Alongside Israel works to win support for these policies in the labour movement. It seeks affiliations from trade union branches, and organises practical activities to help promote the cause of Palestinian rights: an independent Palestinian state with the same rights as Israel.
• We are for the immediate withdrawal of the Israeli state from the Occupied Territories.
• We support a fully independent Palestinian state on the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem alongside Israel. Israel should come to a generous settlement with the Palestinian refugees that is a true compromise and can be mutually agreed.
• Whilst we understand the Palestinians are in a desperate situation and recognise that they have the the right to fight the Israeli state, we oppose the Islamist suicide bombers who kill themselves and Jewish civilians and the rocket attacks launched from Gaza.
• We oppose Hamas and Islamic Jihad who are fighting not just against Israeli occupation, but for the destruction of Israel and the creation of a theocratic states.
• We believe that acknowledging that both Israel and Palestinian people have the right to their own state is a way to help bring an end to the conflict.
• We would support a socialist federation across the whole region that recognised that the various peoples have the rights to their own states. This could only work with the voluntary agreement of the peoples involved.
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Funny lies....
On Hamas' position see:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2096394,00.html
On what the Palestinian secular left is advocating:
http://www.pacbi.org/boycott_news_more.php?id=66_0_1_10_M11
And while we're at it, maybe AWL can tell us how their position differs from that of Ehud Olmert:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2096360,00.html
Hamas' Covenant
The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) 18th August 1988
'Undaunted by repression, my people have embraced democracy as a means of struggle and governance.' (The Comment is Free story linked to by Neve, perhaps unwisely, since a commenter too has read and cites the Covenant.) Joining the dots tells you this isn't any old democracy, this is new improved Islamic democracy. It's rather different to the original. The stuff about women is particularly good.
The Covenant, the covenant...
5-million people locked out of their homes, 4.5-million in open air prisons, 650,000 gone through jails and tortured (11,000 currently incarcerated), 5,000 killed in the last six and a half years, including roughly 1000 children. But all you can talk about is this covenant. Wow! Glad to see your priorities are straight and you have a clear sense of proportion! :)
Like I said, you should read 'The Case for Israel' by Alan Dershwitz, because you're all clearly on the same wave-lenght. Alan Dershwitz also says he's in support of the Palestinian people... :)
As I Recall
The Nazis made similar arguments. They went on about how badly they had been treated as a result of the Versailles Treaty, how badly German people suffered in the Sudetenland and so on. How dare you under those circumstances nitpick over something as secondary as our politics, and solutions for remedying the injustices against us.
Arthur Bough
are you serious??? hahahahaahhahaa....
like this is beyond imagination. now you're denying that the palestinians are suffering in WBG? how can you even begin to compare nazi germany, an advanced industrialized country, with a huge military arsenal engaged in national-chauvinist self-pitty, to the stateless, starved, attacked by imperialism, murdered, massacred, expelled, dispossessed palestinian people?
you're really one twisted bloke!
You're Really One Twisting Bloke
Neve, yet again you seem unable to write anything without completely twisting what someoene has said. The point was that the reactionary clerical-fascist politics of HAMAS and other organisations cannot simply be dismissed because of the fact of Palestinian oppression. NO_ONE is denying the fact that that oppression exists, for God's sake!!!! Actually, no one doubts that the Germans got a pretty raw deal from the Allies in WWI through the Treaty of Versailles.
The point is that the bad treatment of Germany after WWI was no reason for socialists to support the Nazis in Germany, and the oppression of Palestinians is no reason for any socialist to support the clerical-fascists of HAMAS.
Arthur Bough