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Henry Suss: A tragic old Stalinist militant dies; what his life says to allies of Islamic clerical fascism now

Marxism and Stalinism

by Sean Matgamna

"Even such is time, that takes on trust
Our youth, our joys, our all we have,
And pays us but with earth and dust;
Who, in the dark and silent grave,
When we have wandered all our ways,
Shuts up the story of our days..."
— Sir Walter Raleigh

Henry Suss, who was for 70 years a member of the Communist Party, has died at the age of 91. Suss’s political experience was representative of a whole, Jewish, layer of the Manchester working class, and of many others. Last year a big book of interviews with Suss, by Dave Chapple, about his years in the Communist Party, was published:"Henry Suss and the Jewish Working Class of Manchester and Salford". I found it a scary, and in some respects, a terrifying book.

I read what in effect are his memoirs on the evening before I went on the big London "Stop the War" demonstration against the July 2006 Israeli-Hesbullah war in the Lebanon.

What I saw on that March made me think of Suss' experience, not as a matter of history only, but as a grim warning for young political people today.

Jews had always contributed a disproportionately large contingent to the Socialist and Communist parties. In the ‘30s, in a world which threatened them with fascist oppression and annihilation, very large numbers of Jewish workers turned to “communism” — to the Stalinist organisation.

In Cheetham Hill, which had been a Jewish area since the mid 19th century,and where many Jews worked in the garment industry, the main industry in the area, the CP and its youth organisation the YCL became a mass movement.

I knew Henry Suss, though as little more than a figure to put a name to.I knew the world of Manchester's Jewish CPers (my family settled in Cheetham Hill in the mid-1950s) a generation and more behind Suss and his close comrades: like them went from school to work in one of the numerous cutting rooms on and around Derby Street; joined the garment workers union; Cheetham YCL, by then, though still sizable, and with 3 or 4 times the number of all the Trotskyists in the whole city, shrunk (Suss' daughter, Linda, was in the YCL); and, as a Trotskyist, the Labour Party.I knew some of the people Suss recalls, such as the Gadians, Sol and Abe.

In the 1950s it was then still very much a Jewish world — the rag trade, the union, the CP and YCL, and to a considerable extent the Labour Party. At meetings of CP garment workers, the conversation frequently revolved around the doings of the Jewish Ex-Servicemen’s association, where their opponents were entrenched.

You would still in the '50s find many traces of the once-upon-a-time mass influence of the CP in the area. I remember a foreman in one cutting room, Izzy, a decent man who in size and features looked like a pale-skinned Paul Robeson: firmly non-political now, he once playfully sang at me the Soviet Air force Song — “Flying higher and higher and higher… defending the USSR!…” — his face showing what it had once meant for him.

In the ‘30s, according to Henry Suss, even prosperous bourgeois in the area, like the car dealer Sid Abrams, gave money and the use of premises to the Communist Party.

Henry Suss got drawn into the CP when it still had something of a revolutionary movement about it. Soon in the mid-30s it turned sharply to the right, preaching a "popular front" against fascism, in which the CP, LP, the Liberal Party, and “progressive Tories”, would unite to oppose Hitler. Under Stalin’s orders this was the policy of the CPs everywhere in the world.

The CP had jumped to the right of the Labour Party’s right wing — which wanted not a coalition but a Labour government. It grew phenomenally in influence.

In August 1939 Hitler and Stalin signed an alliance to invade and carve up Poland, and Russia agreed to supply Hitler with materials for War. The CPs turned again... In their propagand, Hitler, yesterday’s fascist arch-demon, was “a man of peace”, the victim of British and French imperialism. Again the CPs were “anti-imperialist revolutionaries” —but only against the enemies of Russia’s ally Hitler.

The CP was “anti-war”, but in a highly partisan way: against Britain’s war, they were effectively pro-Hitler, propagandists for the foreign policy of Russia’s ally Germany.

When, not quite two years after the Hitler-Stalin pact, Hitler invaded Russia, the CP swung fully behind the government of the British Empire, the chief villain in their propaganda since September 1939.

Now they opposed strikes and wage claims. They organised scabbing on strikes they couldn’t stop. Party leader Harry Pollitt insisted publicly: “ Today it is the class conscious worker who will cross the picket line.” Everything for Russia and its allies!

When in 1947 and after, Britain and Russia became Cold War antagonists, the CP swung into opposition again… You will see the pattern.

In 1936, 1937 and 1938 Stalin put the surviving leaders of the Russian October Revolution on trail as traitors. Most of them were shot.

Now CPers had to accept the mind-bending absurdity that all the leaders of the Russian revolution, except Lenin, who was safely dead, and Stalin, had been agents of hostile foreign government. Accept it or break with “the party”, “the revolution”, and “communism”.

At each turn there was of course a shake out. But the hard core — of which Henry Suss was one — remained. They learned to think in what was called “dialectics”: everything was relative, forever in flux, in line with Russia’s foreign policy needs

Opponents of the CP mocked them by singing a song to the turn of My Darling Clementine: “ Oh my darling, oh my darling party line/, you are lost and gone forever,/ dreadful sorry party line.”

The “cadre” of the CPs, good decent well-meaning people most of them, became in politics de-politicised political sleep walkers. Rigidly controlled, and rigidly self-controlled, they employed all sorts of Jesuistical tricks to keep themselves in line. Henry Suss, on his own account of it, was one of these too.

Russia and its rulers could do no wrong.

Suss comes through in these interviews as an honest but insufficiently self-examining militant who surrendered himself body, mind and soul, to “The Party” — which meant to the Russian government. The USSR and "The Party", these were the fixed reference points, politics and policies mere artefacts to be used, or jettisoned, as Stalin thought fit…

The interviewer, Dave Chapple, takes Suss through the main crises of the "Communist" party and the Russian Revolution. What you get is a scary portrait of a 20th century “revolutionary”, a “communist”, whose functional politics was a blind loyalty to the government of a foreign country and to a political apparatus, the CP, its franchised British representatives, both of which he thought embodied socialism.

Was Suss typical? Of a whole species numbering many millions across the world — yes, alas. Details would be different from person to person, from country to country, CP to CP, but the fetish of the USSR and its CP was common to them all; it was what made them Stalinists, whatever politics they were, for now, pushing.These once-critically-thinking, rebellous, aspiring people surrendered everything to those they took for the pre-ordained leaders of the world socialist revolution — and by doing that, they became the very opposite of what they started out to be, revolutionary working class socialist militants.

Suss and his millions of political sisters and brothers revolted against capitalism, wanted to fight for socialism; and their political spirit and energy was annexed, with their agreement, by the Stalinist movement and transmuted into something else.

Genuinely indignant at wrongs and ruling class crimes in Britain, they simultaneously defended similar and far worse things in the USSR, China, etc. The less worldly-wise simply denied what they didn’t want to know; the sophisticated ones might, in a lucid moment, have summed up their attitude like this: the concentration camps, jails and torture chambers of a socialist state are not the same thing as identical things under capitalism.

It is possible to see someone like Suss in one of two ways. As a “salt of the earth” militant, an unquellable foot soldier of socialism, communism and the labour movement. That, I think, is how the interviewer, Dave Chapple, sees him.

Or, as a tragic example of the typical Stalinist Movement militant — depoliticised, irresponsible, crassly ignorant of the socialism they sought to serve, obedient tools in the hands of the Russian Stalinist ruling class and its franchised "Communist Parties". These were "communists" who fought not for a cause consciously understood and used to measure societies, organisations, and people, but for a fetish — the USSR and its franchised “communist” party — which in their minds replaced the great Socialist cause and came to substitute for it.

It is impossible not to sympathise and empathise with such people on a human level, and impossible not to find something almost heroic in their doggedness. That is what makes the story tragic — the terrible, murdering, effect on the cause which, in their festishtic way, they sought to serve, of the depoliticised, soul and mind- surrendering, operationally mindless, way they worked for it.

But, even so, they were thinking, reasoning beings, like ourselves now, who made choices. Even if their thinking never got beyond the decision that “the USSR is the measure of all things socialistic”, and “Stalin" — like the Catholic Pope when speaking from St Peter’s Chair on "matters of faith and morals" — "can not be wrong” — thinking people is what they were. They made choices, which contributed to the degradation and rot of socialism, so far for generations.

A line (which I quote from memory) from a song about a mining disaster by one of those like Suss, a committed Stalinist, Ewan McColl almost sums up their tragedy:

“Through all their lives they dug a grave,

Two miles of earth for a marking stone”.

The present state of the labour movement is the marking stone over the grave which the Henry Susses inadvertently dug for socialism in the 20th Century.

Of course those of us who became communists after Stalin's successor, Khruschev had denounced him as a paranoid mass murderer, thus shattering the mystique of the Stalinist papacy in Moscow, were luckier than those of Suss’s generation. Would we have seen through it if we had been of that generation? I would distrust anyone who confidently replies: “of course I would”. We can’t know. The earlier generations were not inferior to us, only more unlucky in their time, and in the situation they fell in with.

Marx truly wrote that it is the ideas of the ruling class which govern each epoch. It was the ideas of the Russian bureaucratic ruling class, disguised as communism, not the ideas of revolutionary Marxism, which dominated the “communist” , and "communist"-sympathising, segments of the labour movement to which Suss belonged.

The tiny forces of authentic Marxism were not able to compete with the powerful CP apparatuses and the plausible ideas of the “official” “communist” movement. After all a view which held that one sixth of the globe — and after the Second World War one third of it — were already socialist had more attraction and more holding power than the view that the Russian Revolution had been betrayed and subverted, and that the Stalinist Russian regime, as Trotsky wrote in 1938, differed from Nazism only “in its more unbridled savagery”.

That picture of reality — the only truly revolutionary picture in those conditions — was to people of Henry Suss’s generation, and especially after the victories of fascism in Europe in the ‘30s, as attractive as the view that humankind, and each individual human being, is alone on an island in space, each of us for a very brief life, en route to nothingness — as that view is to someone steeped and spiritually corrupted by the easy lies and fantasies of the religions.

The myth of the socialist USSR was the all-poisoning “noble lie”, the opium of Suss’s generation, and of others after it. The Stalinist Russian ruling class and its agents, the "Communist" Parties, won the battle of ideas against the Marxists who enlisted under Trotsky’s banner…

I saw a variant of the same thing now on the "Stop the War" march last Saturday.

Vast numbers of people, a lot of them young people, turned out to express their anger at the horrible spectacle of Israel, politically and diplomatically protected by the USA, pulverising Lebanese society and Lebanese people. They are right to be angry, right to want to “do something”.

They groped for slogans that would express their idignation, their instinctive siding with the weaker forces in the Israeli-Hizbollah conflict, and their need to see a possible solution. They were right to do that; in any case, in the nature of things they couldn’t do anything else.

They found themselves last Saturday on a march together with people intent on glorifying Islamic clerical fascism as authentic and progressive "anti-imperialism". Who sold advocacy of the wiping out of the Jewish nation under cover of indignation at Israel’s ill-treatment of the Palestinians and Lebanese. Like the Henry Susses and such unfortunate rebels of the past, who were "captured" by the Stalininst, they encountered a corrupt political machine that cynically manipulates, manoeuvres, lies. They are offered heroes like Saddam Hussein’s very good friend, Mr Galloway MP.

They found on the march a political party as undemocratic — more! — than the CPs were, its members given the choice of either expulsion or parroting the line decided by a narrow clique of leaders without principle — other than organisational (and personal now, it seems) self-proclamation and self-promotion.

They found a small number of people giving out literature urging them to think a bit more about the issues, about politics in general. Little has changed?

No — a very great deal has changed! The Stalinism our Trotskyist predecessors confronted was a world-wide movement with the wealth and the prestige of a gigantic state behind it. All that is gone. Compared with that, the “apparatus”, wealth, etc, of the SWP (and its satellite parties such as the Mandelite "International Socialist Group") is puny indeed. The forces of Marxism were infinitesimally small compared with the Stalinist behemoth. The ratio of forces between Marxists now and those who in their methods emulate the Stalinist parties is vastly more favourable to us.

The author of the lines of verse at the top of this column were, Sir Walter Raleigh, was an Elizabethan-Jacobean “renaissance man”, buccaneer, explorer, author of a history of the world, who was beheaded after a long imprisonment on the orders of his King, James I.

He put two other lines after those above, expressing his hopes for Christian salvation:

“But from this earth, this grave, this dust,
My God will raise me up, I trust.”

But there is no God to raise up either us or our movement. That we must, and we will, do for ourselves!


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Good old romantic Trot

Good old romantic Trot stuff! Stirring and well written! And totally patronising! We knew what was going on and opposed the bits that were wrong...and (not but) I still felt more at home politically in the months I spent in the GDR than I have ever felt in 'the West'..

Sussed!

You cheered when the Soviet Union fell, and doubtless believe that the PDPA in Afghanistan was 'Stalinist' so probably supported the clerical fascist (and at the time US backed) 'mujahedeen' opposition at the time too. Seems you have a soft spot for Polish clerical fascist 'Solidarity' as well.....

Time. The great ideological healer!

But then, perusing your website, I find so many fresh and worthwhile ideas. Maybe I should think of crossing back to the other end of the ice pick again? No! We should all stop picking (sorry!) at each other and address the 99% of the population who think we're all Commie bastards!

A


Who's the romantic?

"I still felt more at home politically in the months I spent in the GDR than I have ever felt in 'the West'.."

You probably never felt the close attention of the Stasi.
Most of the people who actually *had* to live there, viewed it rather differently.


Ah, STASI!! Terror figures

Ah, STASI!! Terror figures of a million right wing columnists! The Stasi bloke I knew was a drunk hippie. The people I know in East Germany think 'The Lives of Others' is a pile of unhistorical, reactionary rubbish and most of them think they were better off before 1989.

Do you realise that life expectancy in the Soviet Union has fallen by 10 years since
Gorbachev's betrayal? Pensioners selling their clothes on the streets while Abramovitch spends the oil wealth of the Soviet people on preening donkey footballers! Millions of angry, betrayed people yearning for the return of the SU while a super-rich elite flaunt their wealth in their faces!

WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

A


Stasi

The East Germans I have spoken to all thought 'The Lives of Others' was unhistorical, too. But because they didn't think a Stasi agent would be so human.

I'm sure there are Iraqis who hanker for the good old security of the days of Saddam.


It is a testimony to the

It is a testimony to the unspeakable nature of US/Uk imperialism that they have created a situation where the majority of Iraqi citizens, given the choice between what they have to suffered now and what they suffered under Saddam, would probably choose the former.

But that is nothing to do with GDR either.

Anyone of your lot ever go to pre 1989 East Germany?

Interested to know.

A


Not GDR but

I did go to Bulgaria on holiday in 1982. You are right some things actually were very good. I was taken ill with asthma when I was there, and went to a polyclinic, which was very good, there were lots of obviously very poor people there being tretaed for free, who in a capitalist country of a similar level of development would either have to have sold an organ or soemthing to cover the cost of treatment, or else put up with their illness.

The Public Transport was phenomenal. To travel a few miles down the coast cost around 1p. They didn't bother with collecting money on the bus, you bought a ticket at a kiosk, and at that price everyone did. All the buses were packed full. I went on a longer bus ride of around 100 miles over the mountains, which cost around £5. Exactly, how poor the country still was was demonstrated by the villagers that got on the bus carrying their live chickens in a basket.

But I did also have experience of the secet police too, and it brought home to me just what life must have been like for those that lived there. We were given Luncheon Vouchers to use to cover the cost of our food, which could be used at any of the hoptels etc. We found our own hotel quite expensive, and so went to look out a cheaper place to eat. We found a hotel mostly frequented by Russians and Finns. At the time our eldest son was only a year old, and he was made a fuss of by many of them.

To cut a long story short over a period of time we had a problem with never being given the right change for our money and vouchers by the waitress. Given how dirt cheap everything was it probably wasn't worthwhile making a point of, but we did. Eventually on the last day we were there, we were told not to go there again.

That night in the lobby of our hotel a young man came up to me. He asked if I lived anywhere near Birmingham, and would I deliver a letter for him. He claimed to be from Poland, and said he was afraid to post the letter. As there thousands of holidaymakers in the centre all of whom would be sending mail back to Britain and other countries I thought this sounded fishy, so declined. He then engaged me in further conversation. "What did I do,". I was a lecturer. So was he. "But I'm unemployed at the moment". So was he. "But I didn't think there was any unemplyment in Eastern Europe?" "Er, no there isn't. Would you like to exchange some currency?"

The streets were in fact full of people who wanted to exchange liva for hard western currency that they could spend in the hard currency shops, and would pay 4 times the official rate. But, of course it was illegal.

"No, thanks, I'm going home tomorrow."

There is no doubt in my mind he was from the Secret Police looking for something to get me on. As a westerner it would need to be something they could easily prove. I'm also sure this was a result of the confrontation with the waitress, who was probably a local Party member - which also shows the fallacy of seeing things in Stalinist states purely in terms of a state bureaucracy. But if such a non-event could lead to such a farce, what could a Bulgarian socialist really opposing Stalinism expect to be visited on them?
Arthur Bough


I did about 25 gigs in the

I did about 25 gigs in the GDR between 1986 and 1989, mostly at the Political Song Festivals and FDJ Rocksommer tour events but including a few that were unauthorised, and wandered around in a Gorbachev T Shirt at the time when the GDR leadership was very much opposed to his 'perestroika' and 'glasnost' policies, in support of the substantial section of the SED who were campaigning for the same changes in the GDR - along with some control over the disgusting pollution of the country, among many other things. (Note: at the time I supported Gorbachev 100% in his efforts to democratise the Party. I didn't, and don't, support his handing over of the SU to Yeltsin/Putin and the people who are now their billionaire mafia friends. Just to make this clear)

There was considerable open debate about the future course of the Party, although there were also hardline elements working with the Stasi HQ to isolate/intimidate Left activists not prepared to toe the line. However, the comparisons in the bourgeois media between Stasi and Gestapo were totally ludicrous.

If you were an absolutely hardline 'Anti Stalinist' activist and got noticed by the wrong people you might get some visits from the authorities, lose your job or university place, and if you were absolutely determined - like, say, Wolf Biermann - you might end up getting expelled from the country or locked up. This is of course totally and offensively wrong, although of course no worse than what has happened to many activists in the 'democratic' West. Gestapo it was not. And I can honestly say that I met and talked to many, many young people campaigning for genuine democratic socialism who did not receive any harassment whatsoever, and were often indeed encouraged by older Party activists. I am sure there were people around reporting on them to the Stasi, but nothing seemed to happen apart from an ever lenthening file. I'd be interested to see yours and my equivalent at M15!! I spent hours and hours and hours talking to people openly about all aspects of life - and learnt German properly in the process, since they all learned Russian at school and English was not widespread.

Food, beer, housing, health and child care was cheap beyond the imagination of anyone here. Culture of all kinds was accessible to all for virtually nothing and workers were encouraged to involve themselves in education and the arts (some of the gigs I did were at lunchtimes in factories and farms)
The total absence of gormless TV, 'celebrities', crass consumer advertising, etc meant that the general level of conversation in pubs and on the street was a lot more interesting than it is now!

There were lots of things that were good, and quite a few that were appalling. It was incredibly sad leaving my friends and knowing they couldn't visit - the travel restrictions were just cretinous - pollution was ghastly, petty bureaucracy everywhere, punks were harassed (you would get more shit from having a mohican than for your political views) But it was a society worth changing for the better, not simply dismissing as 'Stalinist' (Stalin was reviled by all the Party activists I knew)

To say that we Communists didn't know what was going on is patronising in the extreme. We did. And we fought to make it better. But any socialist who can honestly tell me that all the benefits described above mean nothing, and that people are better off there now with Big Brother, McDonalds, unemployment and state tolerated fascist thugs ......hasn't been there and doesn't know.

Of course there was repression there. Much of it directed not at Leftists but at people who simply wanted to restore capitalism. And here is the nub of my argument. You talk about democracy and liberty and rightly criticise
the failings of the socialist countries. But to dismiss, or ignore, statistics like the reduced life expectancy in Russia now, and to cheer at the poverty and hopelessness in so much of Eastern Europe where before there was at least food, education, housing and healthcare for all, shows a lack of humanity.

What are you going to say if Cuba is overrun and their wonderful healthcare and education systems collapse? Cheer at the 'end of Stalinism'? What do you think of Fidel? Sadly, I think I know...

And the biggest irony of all is that you claim allegiance to a revolutionary leader who was bloody good at repressing people himself!!
Repession is necessary sometimes when there is no alternative! Stop sounding like a load of liberal hippies!!!

I am 100% behind you in your contempt for 'socialists' who cuddle up to clerical fascism. Real Reds never will. We saw what it did when some people were supporting it in Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s!

Cheers

Attila


There is something good about every system

Comrade,

I have some sympathy with some of the comments you make. I think its unfortunate that some socialists in their subjective hatred of Stalinism have left the ground of Marxist objective analysis when it comes to the Soviet Union and other Stalinist states, and thereby dismiss what was progressive in these systems. However, it has to be said that there is something good that can be said of any mode of production.

All of the things you outline in terms of social provision etc. are in my opinion things that socialists should be proud of, a sign of the achievements that can be made. A couple of years ago I was in Cuba, and there were many good things I could say about that, and the opinion I got from speaking to ordinary Cuban workers at the hotel etc did not chime with the picture usually portrayed. But none of those things amount to socialism, we should defend them because they are progressive, they represent an advance over capitalism, and the private ownership of the means of production, just as we should defend the NHS. But no socialist should be content with the NHS either. Only by bringing it under democratic workers control and ownership can it really begin to be considered socialistic. And the same thing is true of the USSR etc.

I hear what you say about recognising what was wrong, and of others criticising and struggling for change, but the whole point is under what conditions such struggles could take place, what limits were there. The fact is that we have ample evidence from the 1930's of the way these parties dealt with those that seriously challenged the Party line. Even when the CPSU leadership adopted a different tactic in the 1950's of dealing with dissent, we still saw the tanks role into East Germany, Hungary, Czeckoslovakia. Even today we see the same people poisoning their opponents.

You are absolutely right that it is infantile to not recognise divisions within the parties in these countries, many of whose members remained ordinary workers and peasants, as I have shown in a previous post. It is equally crude to speak of an homogenous bureuacracy when millions of the members of this bureaucracy were themselves clerks and other workers whose condition of life was no different from that of any other worker. A socialist perspective should have been to recognise that differentiation, and to accentuate it, and focus on those sections that could be won to a more democratic, more revolutionary perpsective.

The fact that many Trotskyists failed to recognise that whilst others simply turned themselves into cheerleaders of some mysterious revolutionary process is I think a function of the petty bourgeois nature of Trotskyism. On the one hand an ultra left searching for purity on the other a delusion in the imminence of the socialist millenia. Both a justification for a complete and increasing isolation from the real working class, and the impotence that results from it.

Socialism cannot be bulit on that, but nor can it be built on your apologism for the abortion that was, and is Stalinism.

Arthur Bough


Good post. I wasn't

Good post. I wasn't apologising for the GDR. I was criticising it from a communist perspective, at least I thought I was!


Nicely put

Well, thats really nicely put : 'Repression is necessary sometimes when there is no alternative!"

Reminds me of what Lenin said about the 'Worker's opposition' at the tenth party congress, at about the same time the Krondstadt soviet was crushed :
'Comrades, let’s not have an opposition just now! I think the Party Congress will have to draw the conclusion that the opposition’s time has run out and that the lid’s on it. We want no more oppositions!'

Now in contrast to this heres what Rosa Luxemburg said about opposition and freedom :
'Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of the party -- however numerous they may be -- is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of justice but because all that is instructive, wholesome, and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when freedom becomes a special privilege.'
But then she was a liberal hippie, what does she know?

So you're in favour of repression, nice, but you reject and condemn all forms of resistance that would be islamic (i may be misinterpreting though, sorry its not clear who you mean by the loose term 'clerical fascism')?
Mh. Interesting position, really...


Marx talked about 'the

Marx talked about 'the dictatorship of the proletariat' and we know what he meant. Lenin and Trotsky's forces crushed the Kronstadt rebellion - among many other 'repressive' measures taken by them during the civil war - so how can anyone who claims to be Marxist, Leninist or Trotskyist be anti repression in all circumstances? Or do you differentiate between 'struggle' and 'repression' in some way?

I know that I have had to 'repress' fascists a few times in my life...otherwise they'd have 'repressed' me!

A


Whose side?

If the choice is between capitalism and the dictatorship masquerading as socialism that existed in the 'Soviet Union', then I'm on neither side. Next you'll be asking me if I want to die by shooting or starving.

Thankfully, there is a third side. Genuine socialism.


Far out

Hey Attila,

You should check the flights for Pyongyang. Some are really cheap you know.


Got offered gigs there once.

Got offered gigs there once. Was already playing in Canada, was a shame 'cos I'd have loved to do it.......My mate Steve from the Newtown Neurotics went instead. Bloody surreal. But nothing to do with GDR.