Socialism and Co-operatives
In the Communist Manifesto Marx and Engels set out their critique of Utopian Socialism the islands of socialist co-operation put forward by people like Robert Owen. The experience of co-operatives in Britain during the 1970’s such as that at Meriden have consolidated this view in the minds of Marxists of co-operatives as utopian ventures doomed to failure in a hostile sea of capitalism. Instead for revolutionary Marxists the alternative view of Lenin has dominated, that of a violent overthrow, capture of the state, demolition of the aspects of the state designed to oppress the working class, the bodies of armed men – Lenin did not call for other aspects of the state to be smashed – and the wholesale transformation of property relations under the domination of a revolutionary proletarian state, acting as the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
Unfortunately, of course that model didn’t turn out too well, and Marxists should learn from history. Whilst far from advocating the kind of Utopian Socialist perspective of Owen, I think it is, however, useful to look at what Marx actually said about co-operatives, what he saw as their relationship to socialist construction, and also to look at other examples of co-operatives that perhaps challenge the received wisdom. I start also from a position which is perhaps not usually stressed in Marxist thought – the idea that the most important aspect of socialist transformation is not the replacement of the market, and commodity production, not the introduction of planning, but is the ending of the position of the working class as a slave class, and its transformation into the owner and controller of the means of production.
We seem to have adopted the idea that Co-operatives are bound to fail within the confines of Capitalism. The argument is somewhat akin to the objection to the Theory of Socialism in One Country. That is socialist construction can only occur within the confines of a world economy or at least a significant part of it, for the simple reason that capitalism operates on that scale of the division of labour, and socialism which seeks to develop production beyond what capitalism achieves cannot start from anything less. This is not the place to discuss the dogmatic nature in which Trotskyists have argued the case over Socialism in One Country, but in dealing with the question of Co-operatives at least some of that argument is necessarily addressed.
The Stalinist response to the Trotskyist argument was – “Do you not have faith in the superiority of socialist production?” It seems to me a reasonable argument to put forward. Yes the full advantages of socialism cannot be achieved outside the confines of a socialist world economy, but that is not at all the same thing as arguing that the superiority of an economy based on workers ownership and control of the means of production, and on co-operation cannot of itself be innately superior to capitalist production, cannot out compete other capitalist states, and thereby act as a beacon for workers elsewhere. And indeed by the mid thirties with capitalism throughout the western world in deep crisis, and the Soviet Union growing at a rapid pace that seemed even more a vindication of that line of argument. But a similar line of argument can be put in relation to Co-operatives within the confines of a national capitalist economy. The fact is that the Co-op established by the Rochdale Pioneers over 150 years ago has survived all that time, and not only survived but branched out into banking and finance, and other areas, such as Travel Agents, Undertakers etc. Clearly, there is no absolute economic law that says that co-operatives are doomed to failure within an overall capitalist environment, anymore than that an attempt to build wider socialist economic relationships in the Soviet Union was necessarily doomed to failure.
Its true that the Co-op in many respects bears no relationship to socialism, in fact in many respects it bears more similarity to Stalinism, but we should ask why that is. Unlike a capitalist company anyone can become a shareholder in the Co-op for a nominal sum, and unlike a capitalist company every shareholder has an equal vote in the running of the Company. But how many socialists actually do so? I know I don’t. Shouldn’t that perhaps be a warning to us about the possible problems of constructing a socialist society, if we all have opportunity to have a say in a large enterprise that we can collectively own and control, and yet don’t why do we assume that workers will do so in the future? And yet as I have argued elsewhere New Thinking if workers mobilised their financial resources amassed in their pension funds they could if the resources of the Co-op, Co-op Financial Services and Unity Trust were combined have significant power. Instead of carping about Tecopoly the Co-op could become a model employer setting the standard that others have to meet, and could challenge the market power of private companies, both other supermarkets, and suppliers.
And in contrast to the failed worker co-operatives such as that at Meriden let me cite these others.
This is from James Connolly,
“In 1832 the great English socialist, Robert Owen, visited Ireland and held a number of meetings in the Rotunda, Dublin, for the purpose of explaining the principles of Socialism to the people of that city. His audiences were mainly composed of the well-to-do inhabitants, as was, indeed, the case universally at that period when Socialism was the fad of the rich instead of the faith of the poor. The Duke of Leinster, the Catholic Archbishop Murray, Lord Meath, Lord Cloncurry, and others occupied the platform, and as a result of the picture drawn by Owen of the misery then existing, and the attendant insecurity of life and property amongst all classes, and his outline of the possibilities which a system of Socialist co-operation could produce, an association styling itself the Hibernian Philanthropic Society was formed to carry out his ideas. A sum of money was subscribed to aid the prospects of the society, a General Brown giving £1,000, Lord Cloncurry £500, Mr. Owen himself subscribing £1,000, and £100 being raised from other sources. The society was short-lived and ineffectual, but one of the members, Mr. Arthur Vandeleur, an Irish landlord, was so deeply impressed with all he had seen and heard of the possibilities of Owenite Socialism, that in 1831, when crime and outrage in the country had reached its zenith, and the insecurity of life in his own class had been brought home to him by the assassination of the steward of his estate for unfeeling conduct towards the labourers, he resolved to make an effort to establish a Socialist colony upon his property at Ralahine, County Clare. For that purpose he invited to Ireland a Mr. Craig, of Manchester, a follower of Owen, and entrusted him with the task of carrying the project into execution.
Though Mr. Craig knew no Irish, and the people of Ralahine, as a rule, knew no English – a state of matters which greatly complicated the work of explanation – an understanding was finally arrived at, and the estate was turned over to an association of the people organised under the title of The Ralahine Agricultural and Manufacturing Co-operative Association.
In the preamble to the Laws of the Association, its objects were defined as follows: –
· The acquisition of a common capital.
· The mutual assurance of its members against the evils of poverty, sickness, infirmity, and old age.
· The attainment of a greater share of the comforts of life than the working classes now possess.
· The mental and moral improvement of its adult members.
· The education of their children.
The following paragraphs selected from the Rules of the Association will give a pretty clear idea of its most important features: –
BASIS OF THE SOCIETY
That all the stock, implements of husbandry, and other property belong to and are the property of Mr. Vandeleur, until the Society accumulates sufficient to pay for them; they then become the joint property of the Society.
PRODUCTION
We engage that whatever talents we may individually possess, whether mental or muscular, agricultural, manufacturing, or scientific, shall be directed to the benefit of all, as well by their immediate exercise in all necessary occupations as by communicating our knowledge to each other, and particularly to the young.
That, as far as can be reduced to practice, each individual shall assist in agricultural operations, particularly in harvest, it being fully understood that no individual is to act as steward, but all are to work.
That all the youth, male or female, do engage to learn some useful trade, together with agriculture and gardening, between the ages of nine and seventeen years.
That the committee meet every evening to arrange the business for the following day.
That the hours of labour be from six in the morning till six in the evening in summer, and from daybreak till dusk in winter, with the intermission of one hour for dinner.
That each agricultural labouring man shall receive eightpence, and every woman fivepence per day for their labour (these were the ordinary wages of the country, the secretary, storekeeper, smiths, joiners, and a few others received something more; the excess being borne by the proprietor) which it is expected will be paid out at the store in provisions, or any other article the society may produce or keep there; any other articles may be purchased elsewhere.
That no member be expected to perform any service or work but such as is agreeable to his or her feelings, or they are able to perform; but if any member thinks that any other member is not usefully employing his or her time, it is his or her duty to report it to the committee, whose duty it will be to bring that member’s conduct before a general meeting, who shall have power, if necessary, to expel that useless member.
DISTRIBUTION AND DOMESTIC ECONOMY
That all the services usually performed by servants be performed by the youth of both sexes under the age of seventeen years, either by rotation or choice.
That the expenses of the children’s food, clothing, washing, lodging, and education be paid out of the common funds of the society, from the time they are weaned till they arrive at the age of seventeen, when they shall be eligible to become members.
That a charge be made for the food and clothing, &c., of those children trained by their parents, and residing in their dwelling houses.
That each person occupying a house, or cooking and consuming their victuals therein, must pay for the fuel used.
That no charge be made for fuel used in the public room.
That it shall be a special object for the sub-committee of domestic economy, or the superintendent of that department, to ascertain and put in practice the best and most economical methods of preparing and cooking the food.
That all the washing be done together in the public washhouse; the expenses of soap, labour, fuel, &c., to be equally borne by all the adult members.
That each member pay the sum of one half-penny out of every shilling received as wages to form a fund to be placed in the hands of the committee, who shall pay the wages out of this fund of any member who may fall sick or meet with an accident.
Any damage done by a member to the stock, implements, or any other property belonging to the society to be made good out of the wages of the individual, unless the damage is satisfactorily accounted for to the committee.
EDUCATION AND FORMATION OF CHARACTER
We guarantee each other that the young children of any person dying whilst a member of this society, shall be equally protected, educated, and cherished with the children of the living members, and entitled, when they arrive at the age of seventeen, to all the privileges of members.
That each individual shall enjoy perfect liberty of conscience, and freedom of expression of opinion, and in religious worship.
That no spirituous liquors of any kind, tobacco, or snuff be kept in the store, or on the premises.
That if any of us should unfortunately have a dispute with any other person, we agree to abide by a decision of the majority of the members, or any person to whom the matter in question may be by them referred.
That any person wishing to marry another do sign a declaration to that effect one week previous to the marriage taking place, and that immediate preparations be made for the erection, or fitting-up of a suitable dwelling house for their reception.
That any person wishing to marry another person, not a member, shall sign a declaration according to the last rule; the person not a member shall then be balloted for, and, if rejected, both must leave the society.
That if the conduct of any member be found injurious to the well-being of the society, the committee shall explain to him or her in what respect his or her conduct shall continue to transgress the rules, such member shall be brought before a general meeting, called for the purpose, and if the complaint be substantiated, three-fourths of the members present shall have power to expel, by ballot, such refractory member.
GOVERNMENT
The society to be governed, and its business transacted, by a committee of nine members, to be chosen half-yearly, by ballot, by all the adult male and female members, the ballot list to contain at least four of the last committee.
The committee to meet every evening and their transactions to be regularly entered into a minute book, the recapitulation of which is to be given at the society’s general meeting by the secretary.
That there be a general weekly meeting of the society; that the treasurer’s accounts be audited by the committee, and read over to the society; that the Suggestion Book be also read at this meeting.
The colony did not use the ordinary currency of the country, but instead adopted a ‘Labour Note’ system of payment, all workers being paid in notes according to the number of hours worked, and being able to exchange the notes in the store for all the necessities of life. The notes were printed on stiff cardboard about the size of a visiting card, and represented the equivalent of a whole, a half, a quarter, an eighth, and a sixteenth of a day’s labour. There were also special notes printed in red ink representing respectively the labours of a day and a half, and two days. In his account of the colony published under the title of History of Ralahine, by Heywood & Sons, Manchester (a book we earnestly recommend to all our readers), Mr. Craig says: – “The labour was recorded daily on a ‘Labour Sheet’, which was exposed to view during the following week. The members could work or not at their own discretion. If no work, no record, and, therefore, no pay. Practically the arrangement was of great use.
There were no idlers”. Further on he comments: –
“The advantages of the labour notes were soon evident in the saving of members. They had no anxiety as to employment, wages, or the price of provisions. Each could partake of as much vegetable food as he or she could desire. The expenses of the children from infancy, for food or education, were provided for out of the common fund.
“The object should be to obtain a rule of justice, if we seek the law of righteousness. This can only be fully realised in that equality arising out of a community of property where the labour of one member is valued at the same rate as that of another member, and labour is exchanged for labour. It was not possible to attain to this condition of equality at Ralahine, but we made such arrangements as would impart a feeling of security, fairness and justice to all. The prices of provisions were fixed and uniform. A labourer was charged one shilling a week for as many vegetables and as much fruit as he chose to consume; milk was a penny per quart; beef and mutton fourpence, and pork two and one-half pence per pound. The married members occupying separate quarters were charged sixpence per week for rent, and twopence for fuel.”
In dealing with Ireland no one can afford to ignore the question of the attitude of the clergy; it is therefore interesting to quote the words of an English visitor to Ralahine, a Mr. Finch, who afterwards wrote a series of fourteen letters describing the community, and offered to lay a special report before a Select Committee of the House of Commons upon the subject.
He says: –
“The only religion taught by the society was the unceasing practice of promoting the happiness of every man, woman, and child to the utmost extent in their power. Hence the Bible was not used as a school-book; no sectarian opinions were taught in the schools; no public dispute about religious dogmas or party political questions took place; nor were members allowed to ridicule each other’s religion; nor were there any attempts at proselytism. Perfect freedom in the performance of religious duties and religious exercises was guaranteed to all. The teaching of religion was left to ministers of religion and to the parents; but no priest or minister received anything from the funds of the society. Nevertheless, both Protestant and Catholic priests were friendly to the system as soon as they understood it, and one reason was that they found these sober, industrious persons had now a little to give them out of their earnings, whereas formerly they had been beggars.”
Mr. Craig also states that the members of the community, after it had been in operation for some time, were better Catholics than before they began. He had at first considerable difficulty in warding off the attacks of zealous Protestant proselytisers, and his firmness in doing so was one of the chief factors in winning the confidence of the people as well as their support in insisting upon the absolutely non-sectarian character of the teaching.
All disputes between the members were settled by appeals to a general meeting in which all adults of both sexes participated, and from which all judges, lawyers, and other members of the legal fraternity were rigorously excluded.
To those who fear that the institution of common property will be inimical to progress and invention, it must be reassuring to learn that this community of ‘ignorant’ Irish peasants introduced into Ralahine the first reaping machine used in Ireland, and hailed it as a blessing at a time when the gentleman farmers of England were still gravely debating the practicability of the invention. From an address to the agricultural labourers of the County Clare, issued by the community on the introduction of this machine, we take the following passages, illustrative of the difference of effect between invention under common ownership and capitalist ownership: –
“This machine of ours is one of the first machines ever given to the working classes to lighten their labour, and at the same time increase their comforts. It does not benefit any one person among us exclusively, nor throw any individual out of employment. Any kind of machinery used for shortening labour – except used in a co-operative society like ours – must tend to lessen wages, and to deprive working men of employment, and finally either to starve them, force them into some other employment (and then reduce wages in that also) or compel them to emigrate. Now, if the working classes would cordially and peacefully unite to adopt our system, no power or party could prevent their success.”
This was published by order of the committee, 21st August, 1833, and when we observe the date we cannot but wonder at the number of things Clare – and the rest of Ireland – has forgotten since.
It must not be supposed that the landlord of the estate on which Ralahine was situated had allowed his enthusiasm for Socialism to run away with his self-interest. On the contrary, when turning over his farms to the community he stipulated for the payment to himself of a very heavy rental in kind. We extract from Brotherhood, a Christian Socialist Journal published in the north of Ireland in 1891, a statement of the rental, and a very luminous summing-up of the lesson of Ralahine, by the editor, Mr. Bruce Wallace, long a hard and unselfish worker for the cause of Socialism in Ireland: –
“The Association was bound to deliver annually, either at Ralahine, Bunratty, Clare, or Limerick, as the landlord might require, free of expense –
Wheat 320 brls.
Barley 240 brls.
Oats 50 brls.
Butter 10 cwt.
Pork 30 cwt.
Beef 70 cwt.
“At the prices then prevailing, this amount of produce would be equivalent to about, £900, £700 of rent for the use of natural forces and opportunities, and £200 of interest upon capital. It was thus a pretty stiff tribute that these poor Irish toilers had to pay for the privilege of making a little bit of their native soil fruitful. This tribute was, of course, so much to be deducted from the means of improving their sunken condition. In any future efforts that may be made to profit by the example of Ralahine and to apply again the principles of co-operation in farming, there ought to be the utmost care taken to reduce to a minin um the tribute payable to non-workers, and if possible to get rid of it altogether. If, despite this heavy burden of having to produce a luxurious maintenance for loungers, the condition of the toilers at Ralahine, as we shall see, was marvellously raised by the introduction of the co-operative principle amongst them, how much more satisfactorily would it have been raised had they been free of that depressing dead weight?”
Such is the lesson of Ralahine. Had all the land and buildings belonged to the people, had all other estates in Ireland been conducted on the same principles, and the industries of the country also so organised, had each of them appointed delegates to confer on the business of the country at some common centre as Dublin, the framework and basis of a free Ireland would have been realised. And when Ireland does emerge into complete control of her own destinies she must seek the happiness of her people in the extension on a national basis of the social arrangements of Ralahine, or else be but another social purgatory for her poor – a purgatory where the pangs of the sufferers will be heightened by remembering the delusive promises of political reformers.
In the most crime-ridden county in Ireland this partial experiment in Socialism abolished crime; where the fiercest fight for religious domination had been fought it brought the mildest tolerance; where drunkenness had fed fuel to the darkest passions it established sobriety and gentleness; where poverty and destitution had engendered brutality, midnight marauding, and a contempt for all social bonds, it enthroned security, peace and reverence for justice, and it did this solely by virtue of the influence of the new social conception attendant upon the institution of common property bringing a common interest to all. Where such changes came in the bud, what might we not expect from the flower? If a partial experiment in Socialism, with all the drawbacks of an experiment, will achieve such magnificent results what could we not rightfully look for were all Ireland, all the world, so organised on the basis of common property, and exploitation and mastership forever abolished?
The downfall of the Association came as a result of the iniquitous land laws of Great Britain refusing to recognise the right of such a community to hold a lease or to act as tenants. The landlord, Mr. Vandeleur, lost his fortune in a gambling transaction in Dublin, and fled in disgrace, unable to pay his debts. The persons who took over the estate under bankruptcy proceedings refused to recognise the community, insisted upon treating its members as common labourers on the estate, seized upon the buildings and grounds and broke up the Association.
So Ralahine ended. But in the rejuvenated Ireland of the future the achievement of those simple peasants will be dwelt upon with admiration as a great and important landmark in the march of the human race towards its complete social emancipation. Ralahine was an Irish point of interrogation erected amidst the wildernesses of capitalist thought and feudal practice, challenging both in vain for an answer. Other smaller communities were also established in Ireland during the same period. A Lord Wallscourt established a somewhat similar community on his estate in County Galway; The Quarterly Review of November, 1819, states that there was then a small community existent nine miles outside Dublin, which held thirty acres, supported a priest and a school of 300 children, had erected buildings, made and sold jaunting cars, and comprised butchers, carpenters and wheelwrights; the Quakers of Dublin established a Co-operative Woollen Factory, which flourished until it was destroyed by litigation set on foot by dissatisfied members who had been won over to the side of rival capitalists, and a communal home was established and long maintained in Dublin by members of the same religious sect, but without any other motive than that of helping forward the march of social amelioration. We understand that the extensive store of Messrs. Ganly & Sons on Usher’s Quay in Dublin was the home of this community, who lived, worked and enjoyed themselves in the spacious halls, and slept in the smaller rooms of what is now the property of a capitalist auctioneer.”
(Labour in Irish History)
Connolly
And what of Marx’s attitude to real life workers co-operatives.
“The co-operative factories of the labourers themselves represent within the old form the first sprouts of the new, although they naturally reproduce, and must reproduce, everywhere in their actual organisation all the shortcomings of the prevailing system. But the antithesis between capital and labour is overcome within them, if at first only by way of making the associated labourers into their own capitalist, i.e., by enabling them to use the means of production for the employment of their own labour. They show how a new mode of production naturally grows out of an old one, when the development of the material forces of production and of the corresponding forms of social production have reached a particular stage. Without the factory system arising out of the capitalist mode of production there could have been no co-operative factories. Nor could these have developed without the credit system arising out of the same mode of production. The credit system is not only the principal basis for the gradual transformation of capitalist private enterprises. into capitalist stock companies, but equally offers the means for the gradual extension of co-operative enterprises on a more or less national scale. The capitalist stock companies, as much as the co-operative factories, should be considered as transitional forms from the capitalist mode of production to the associated one, with the only distinction that the antagonism is resolved negatively in the one and positively in the other.” (emphasis added)
He goes on,
“The two characteristics immanent in the credit system are, on the one hand, to develop the incentive of capitalist production, enrichment through exploitation of the labour of others, to the purest and most colossal form of gambling and swindling, and to reduce more and more the number of the few who exploit the social wealth; on the other hand, to constitute the form of transition to a new mode of production. It is this ambiguous nature, which endows the principal spokesmen of credit from Law to Isaac Pereire with the pleasant character mixture of swindler and prophet.”
(Capital Vol III pp441-2)
Marx elsewhere in Capital sets out the extent to which these co-operatives, even where established, like Meriden,out of failed capitalist enterprises made higher profits than capitalist enterprises despite being charged higher rates of interest on borrowed money. One of the main reasons Marx argues, and this is a point made by Connolly above is the more efficient use of fixed capital.
So clearly Marx does not see the idea that such workers co-operatives being extended throughout the economy is utopian, indeed he sees Credit as the means for facilitating such expansion. Such a vision of socialist construction is at extreme odds with the top down, statist approach of Lenin, and also with the statist approach taken many years earlier by Marx himself in the Communist Manifesto. In fact this gradualist approach to socialist construction of “a new mode of production naturally grow(ing) out of an old one, when the development of the material forces of production and of the corresponding forms of social production have reached a particular stage” is far more akin to the views of Kautsky than those of Lenin. It presupposes socialist transformation occurring in an advanced economy where the productive forces and credit have developed to this stage to enable it to develop “naturally”.
And of course if we accept the outline of socialist construction set out by Marx here, then we come back to the point I made at the beginning. Such a gradual extension of co-operative industry, whether or not accompanied by an extension of state owned industry in those sectors where this is the most practical form, implies a continuation of the market. In Marx’s words, “, although they naturally reproduce, and must reproduce, everywhere in their actual organisation all the shortcomings of the prevailing system. But the antithesis between capital and labour is overcome within them, if at first only by way of making the associated labourers into their own capitalist, i.e., by enabling them to use the means of production for the employment of their own labour.” Marx sees this as natural, and not at all something that should necessarily be feared. And of course why not. If workers have reached the level of consciousness by which they recognise the benefit, indeed necessity, to own their means of production collectively in such co-operatives, then isn’t it the most natural thing in the world for workers in each of these co-operatives, to themselves co-operate one with another, and thereby to organically replace the market by ever closer ties, and co-operative agreements amongst them.
As I have said elsewhere that does not leave us advocating some syndicalist view of socialism, of bringing about the replacement of capitalism purely in the industrial sphere. A political struggle is required too. The gains for workers in constructing socialist bridgeheads within the capitalist battlefield require political legitimation, but that political advancement too should advance accordingly, if we accept the basis of Marxist materialism, in line with the strengthened social position of the working class, and ultimately before political power is ultimately secured will require the putting down of a slaveholders revolt, but such a task becomes much simpler the Dictatorship of the proletariat more secure on such a basis of the overwhelming social weight of the working class, and its political legitimacy than was required by the Bolsheviks in their attempt to create socialism from the top down and on the back of a very small, very weak proletariat.
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Extension of Co-operatives in Venezuela
Martina,
This article by Greg Wilpert of Venezuelanalysis on the extension of co-operatives, and other forms of non-private capitalist enterprises is interesting, particularly this section:
"Taking each of the three elements of capitalism one at a time, one can first focus on the ways in which the Chavez government’s policies affect or transform the ownership of the relations of material (as opposed to intellectual) production. While the vast majority of Venezuela’s productive capacity is still either owned privately or by the state, one of the government’s main areas of emphasis has been to expand non-private forms of ownership and control, such as via cooperatives, co-management, and expanded state management/ownership.
For example, during the Chavez presidency the number of cooperatives in Venezuela has increased from about 800 in 1998 to over 100,000 in 2005 – an over 100-fold increase in seven years. Over 1.5 million Venezuelans are thus now involved in cooperatives, which represents about 10% of the country’s adult population.[3] The government has been actively supporting the creation of cooperatives in all sectors, mostly via credit, preferential purchasing from cooperatives, and training programs.
With regard to co-management, the government has been experimenting with several state-owned enterprises in this regard, such as the electricity company CADAFE and the aluminum production plant Alcasa. Depending on how these experiments go, the government is considering turning over more state-owned enterprises to co-management. These businesses will not be turned over to complete worker control, however, because, according to the government, they are too important for Venezuela to be governed only by the people that work there. That is, they have an impact for the entire society and thus, according to the principle of subsidiarity, the society, through its representatives in the state, should also have a say in how the enterprise is run.
Another strategy for changing the ownership and control over the means of production has been the expropriation of idle factories. Currently at least four production plants, which produce paper, valves, and agricultural products, have been expropriated and turned over to worker control. Working together with the national union federation UNT, the government is evaluating 700 other idle production facilities that could also be expropriated and turned over to former workers of these plants.
Finally, with regard to expanding state management, the Chavez government has created several new state-owned enterprises, such as in the areas of telecommunications, air travel, and petrochemicals. Also, it reined-in the previously semi-autonomous state oil company PDVSA and brought it under direct government control.
Of course, just because there are more enterprises that go against the logic of capitalism, that are in essence anti-capitalist endeavors, such as cooperatives, co-managed enterprises, and state-owned enterprises does not mean that Venezuela is now a post-capitalist society with regard to the ownership of the means of production. However, there is a definite movement in this direction. Whether such forms of ownership will become predominant within the Venezuelan economy it is too early to tell. The real test of the extent to which the government is willing to go in this direction will come if and when private capital is forced to become marginal in the overall economy. Whether such a direct confrontation will take place and how it will play out is impossible to say at this point.
However, creating a sphere of non-privately owned or controlled means of production by itself is not much of a change if such ownership and control follows the same principles as private ownership does, of maximizing profit above all else and of funneling non-reinvested profits towards elite consumption. Thus, so as to ensure that the cooperative, co-managed, and state managed enterprises follow a new set of principles, the Chavez government has created a new type of economic production unit, which is known as social production enterprise (EPS, in Spanish).
Social Production Enterprises are, “economic entities dedicated to the production of goods or services in which work has its own meaning, without social discrimination nor privileges associated with one’s position in a hierarchy, in which there is substantive equality between its members, planning is participatory and operate under either state, collective, or mixed ownership.”[4] In order to qualify as an EPS and thus for preferential treatment for low-interest credits and state contracts, companies must fulfill a list of requirements, such as to, “privilege the values of solidarity, cooperation, complementarity, reciprocity, equity, and sustainability, ahead of the value of profitability.”[5] If these values are indeed fulfilled, then one can say that with regard to ownership and control over the means of production Venezuela is moving away from capitalism and towards 21st century socialism."
Greg Wilpert
Full Article Here
The Meaning of 21st Century Socialism in Venezuela
Arthur Bough
Read In Conjunction With This
I think you should also read it in conjunction with this:
Trotsky on Mexico's Second Six Year Plan
Trotsky argued that there were different types of Bonapartist regime. Some of these Bonapartist regimes were progressive, they represented capitalism in a dynamic phase of development. They were the means by which a country without a native bourgeoisie, or with a very weak one was able to respond to the need to industrially develop, and accumulate Capital. Other forms of Bonapartism reflected a degeneration of a developed capitalism, a stage of development where the working class had grown to be able to challenge for state power, but had not accomplished it, where the balance of class forces meant that the bourgeoisie could not rule by the normal method of bouregoisie democracy,a nd where it was therefore forced to accept a more independent role for the state. Of the former kind was that of Bismarck in Germany, and of many former colonial or semi colonial states. Of the latter - though Trotsky argued that fascism was a particular form of Bonapartism - was Nazi Germany.
In the former camp came Mexico in the 1930's. In this piece Trotsky argues that what was being developed in Mexico was state capitalism. Marxists from the time of Marx and Engels on have believed that even state capitalism is progressive, even though not clearly socialism. Marxists defend state capitalism because it is historically progressive - even though in application it can be even more oppressive to workers than private capitalism. In this piece Trotsky, therefore, whilst clearly making the argument that what was being developed was not socialism, and that it was necessary for the working class to push through those limitations, to rely on its own organisation etc. sets out how even those limited transformations of state capitalism could best be achieved by the Cardenas Government. The similarities with developments in Venezuela are clear if you look at Wilpert's article. What is significant in Trotsky's approach, therefore, is the way in which he combines clear support for the progressive measures being undertaken, recognises the historical and objective limitations that such a society has to overcome within the real world, advocates the best way in which those can be overcome through the acceptance of the need for compromises such as the payment of compensation for firms nationalised, the need to establish joint ventures with capitalist businesses etc - all positions which Ultra-Left Communists criticise - and at the same time uses this as the basis for arguing the need within this process for socialists to mobilise the working class to push through those changes where possible.
Arthur Bough
I suppose the obvious
I suppose the obvious question would be, what about without the oil? To look at Mexico, 1930 (and nowadays) against a (hypothetical) Venezuela without a highly sort after commodity, would there be much difference? We'll probably never know, so I think the more interesting question would be, what about after the oil (or Chavez) has gone? Would the Veneuelian's revert back to a society more akin to Mexico's under the pressure of capitalism, or continue on a more socialist path? From what I've read these co-operatives and social programes have the potentional of revolutionizing the entire society, although I still have a few doubts.
Firstly, I'm not too good at maths, but if there are 1.5 million Venezuelans in 100,000 co-operatives that would make the average of 15 members to a co-op. How much control do they actually have considering the size and number of the groups?
Secondly, the oil.
Lastly, is it possible for this style of socialism to cross its' own borders? The oil seems to me the leverage against the capitalist, something other Latin American countries don't have. Have these countries tried to introduce any of the same reforms and was there any capitalist backlash?
Overall the situation in Venezuela seems to have alot of potential, but how far can capital be pushed, how long can they live off the oil and can a similar system be replicated in other countries less equiped to deal with the global market?
Socialism, State Capitalism and Co-operatives
Firstly, I want to mnake it absolutely clear that I do not beleive that what exists in Venezuela is socialism. What is being developed at the level of the nationalised industries is state capitalism, and that is why I referenced the links to Trotsky's comments on Mexico. Nor are co-operatives of themselves socialist as Marx's comments make clear. What workers co-operatives are as Marx makes clear is a transitional form - one which continues to oeprate as a capitalist enterprise, but now owned by workers, that in Marx's words removes within it he contradiction between Capital and Labour by making each worker a capitalist.
The nationalised industries themselves,the co-managed enterprises themselves etc. CAN also be similarly transitional forms. In the early 1920's when Lenin was trying to recruit foreign capitalist enterprises to establish businesses in Russia, he described the economy they were creating as state capitalist with bureuacratic deformations. The economy as a whole continued to operate largely through the mechanism of the market particularly as a result of NEP, private capital where it could be brought in from outside - which unfortuinately Lenin did not have the success in achieving he hoped for - and from domestic sources continued to exploit Labour. But it did so within the confines of the controls imposed by a deformed workers state - and even Lenin accepts that the workers state was deformed even then. At the same time Lenin refers to the other types of enterprises within Russia, the wholly nationlaised enterprises, the co-operatives, and collectives as enterprises "of a socialist type". The phrase is intended to distinguish them clealry from the idea that such enterprises could be themselves socialist. To be socuialist would require a wholesale transformation of the whole of the society.
But Lenin makes clear in many of his writings that the transfoprmation to socialism is likely to take many different forms. He lambasts the ultra-Left communists in Left Wing Communism for not recognising this, for not recognising the need for socialism to develop through many different stages, during which time there will have to be all sorts of compromises made with capitalism. That is the basis of Trotsky's arguments in relation to Mexico. Nationalisation is not socialism, but the measures being undertaken the cration of state capitalism were progressive, they represented one of these intermediary stages that Lenin describes in Left Wing Communism, and open up the possibility for the working class to push through their limited nature, provided the working class relies on its own organisation.
That was the point I was trying to make here in relation to the co-operativs in Venezuela. Yes you are absolutely right, the existence of the oil in a world economy of high oil prices gives the Venezuelan government, not only wiggle room in its manouvres with international capital, but also provides resources for implementing policies that other state capitalist regimes have not been able to attempt. Yes you are absolutely right that the average size of co-operatives - though it would be interesting to see what range this average masks - is a limiting factor.
But the wide range, and number of co-operatives does open up significant possibilities under such conditions, given the favourable treatment given to them in state purchasing contracts etc. which worker and peasant co-operatives have rarely had in the past. But Trotsky's argument still holds. Socialism cannot simply evolve out of the existence of these co-operatives. It is necessary for them to integrate their operations with the communitires in which they are based as the Xanon co-operative in Argentina has done. It is necessary for all these co-operatives themselves to organise and co-ordinate their activities, probably to merge in some cases in order to increase their economic power. It is also necessary that the workers in these co-operatives be tied to a Workers Party that assists them, and educates them, and that the workers in these co-operatives link their activities to those of other workers engaged in class struggle.
It is those potentials - the increased social weight of the workers through ownership of the means of production, the possibility in practice to ceate the elements of an alternative socialist economy through the development of co-operation and planning between co-operatives on a free and voluntary democratic basis without direction from above, the immense potential for the development of class conscioussness by seeing the possibility of this alternative society unfolding, and the potential for solidarity with other workers in struggle - which I would point to as the revolutionary nature of such developments, not the role of the state, which remains a bourgeois state - albeit one in conflict at the moment with a left leaning governement {its necessary to recognise the difference between the state and the Government or you cannot understand anything that transpires within a bourgeois democracy}, and against which the workers involved in these co-operatives or otherwise must continue to struggle.
Arthur Bough
Progression
I might be getting confused so tell me if I get this wrong. The most successful/surviving within the ranks of the capitalist is he who puts back what he earns, money to make money. I think you said something like, that in comparrison to what the capitalist could live like if he used the money for himself, he too is suffering. My point is for any enterprize, industry or business to survive it has to continually re-invest the capital it generates. In reality one capitalist could (and does) live off a slim slice of the capital, but in terms of a co-operative there are even more "mouths to feed", interests to look after, in essence the capitalist has been multiplied (though not the same grandour). Even if co-ops are more productive, it would have to be a substantial increase in this productivity to be able to compete against the individual capitalist on the "free market". This is partly why I disagree with Trotskyi and yourself that co-operatives are a transitoinal stage of development. Against capital, and even with the aid of nationaliation, co-operatives seem weak.
The future is not set in stone. The HISTORICAL dialectics of Marx is good only for HISTORY. Anything from what IS, NOW (let's not get into that again!!!) is only a prediction. For all we know there maybe 101 levels of capitalist forms we have to "push through". Society may stagnate, even reversing in terms of knowledge and technology. We may co-operatize (new word) the Earth and watch it fall back some short time in the future into a capitalist slump, or worse. We may never "socialize" atall. Agreed, historical materialism can predict with some degree of accuracy general rules and formulas of future human development, but it will never be a crystal ball.
In regards to nationalisation, how many times have we seen a company or industry yo-yo between state and capitalist? Will co-operatives be much different if they too become profitable and tempting?
No Guarantees
Martina,
1. The issue in relation to Capital is not the portion of Surplus Value, which goes to unproductive consumption. Ultimately, that portion is restricted by the amount of Surplus Value that the capitalist needs to re-invest - accumulate - in order to remain comptetitive. This is what is wrong with the AWL's statement that capitalism is all about the development of "wealth", it isn't its about the necessity for Capital accumulation.
What is different about a workers co-operative compared to a private capitalist firm is a number of things. First, as Marx presented in Capital, and as Connolly shows in the piece above Workers Co-operatives tend to be more efficient in the way in which they use fixed Capital. Secondly, although the portion of Suplus Value paid out to private capitalists for unproductive consumption i.e. in dividends, is not significant compared to that accumultaed, it still represents a sum of money which could be used for further accumulation, or for expansion i.e. to extend the number of co-operatives, or could be used to raise even if only marginally workers wages and conditions, or could be used say as a fighting fund to support other workers in struggle. In other words where these funds currently go to finance the extravagant lifestyle of capitalists they could be used to increase the power of the working class.
Now, you are right that taken individually workers do not have the same Capital resources as large individual capitalists. In fact, even taken together the collective wealth of workers, imncluding their pension funds, does not equal the Wealth of the feww thousand top capitalists - as I've said before Bill Gates has as much wealth as the bottom 40% of the US population combined. Yet, collectively, workers still do own a considerable amount of Capital. Unfortunately, because their own aliquot partr of this Capital is small, and because they have no direct control over that Capital - because it is in Pension Funds controlled by professional Management Companies, or in PEP's and ISA's where the investment decisions are taken by Fund Managers, or is held in various types of Savings Accounts, where it is the Bank or other Financial Institution which disposes of the money - it does not act as Capital for them, but is used as Capital by those that do control its allocation.
I calculated recently that the Funds in all of the various Private and Company Pension Funds are large enough to buy 100% stakes in at least the bottom 50 of the FTSE 100 largest companies in Britain. That does not include the money nominally stored as Capital by the State to pay State Pensions - which given the way in which the State plays about with workers pensions would almost certainly be better under the direct control of workers rather than the Capitalist state.
This is not chiecken feed. This is a substantial chunk of important Capital were it mobilised directly to give workers ownership of those companies. In reality the leverage is much greater than that ebcause in practice you only need to have around 30% ownership of a companies share Capital to have effective control of the Company. Having gained control of that company, the whole of its Capital can then be used to carry through leveraged buyouts of other smaller companies, and the same thing can then be repeated using the Capital on their Balance Sheets.
This it seems to me is not the problem. Or at least there is certainly a problem that would be encountered in simply winning the basic democratic right for workers to have control over their own money in these pension funds, but having achieved that the Capital available would certainly mean that some very important, strategic - and profitable - companies could become worker co-operatives well capable of competing against private capital. What is the problem is combining that with the necessary politics.
Capitalism as an ideology, culture etc. reproduces itself automatically because of the very working of the system. There would be no point in establishing such worker co-operatives if they simply operated as private capitalist companies, just owned by workers. To an extent that has to be the case in that they have to operate as commercial concerns etc. in the same way as a private capitalist cocnern or else they will not compete, but they have to be more than just that. The workers in those co-operatives have to themselves udnerstand what they represent, and have to be able to go beyond the lessons of co-operation fostered within that enterprise, to extending those lessons outside, in terms of linking up with other co-operatives, with the community and so on. In short it requires a level of class conscioussness, and it requires a Workers Party to engender that class conscioussness, to codify the lessons, and to organise its extension, and political representation. At the moment no such Party exists - well the Co-op party exists, but its philosophy is totally reformist, and limited. Only a Workers Party that was being educated by a sizeable number of Marxists is capable of fulfilling that task.
You are right the working class may never organise socuialism, the future gives no guarantees. In fact, we have a golden opportunity at the moment. The Capital held by workers in these Pension Funds, and the other assets workers have built up since the Second World War - for example home ownership - may well be a temporary phenomena that disappears in the next 20-30 years as Western workers find their living standards stagnating in competition with workers in developing countries in Asia, and eastern Europe. At the same time the world economy is just at the beginning of a 25 year long wave expansion during which time wages tend to rise. If workers in thre west are to utilise the unique situation they are in to mobilise their resources to establish such co-operatives on a substantial and sustainable scale, now is the time to do it.
As far as nationalisation is concerned, I think I have made my point several times. Marxists do not defend nationalised industry because we beleive it is in some sense "better" than or morally superior to private capitalist industry. Often it isn't. Consumers have received far better services from privatised telecoms, gas, and electricity companies - probably not water. The recent rail crash demonstrated that it was the privately owned Virgin train which performed well reflecting the Capital invested in decent rolling stock, whereas it was the nationalised Network Rail that had botched the maintenance work on the track. The standard of care in private hospitals even for NHS patients is usually better than is provided in NHS hospitals, and so on. Bosses in nationalised industries, and National and Local Government are often just as bad or worse than their private couterparts when it comes to the way they treat their workers. No it is for none of those reasons that Marxists defend state capitalist property. The reason is because such property is historically progressive - the same reason Trotsky had for defending the Soviet Union against imperialist attack. But to simply state that would be facile. We argue that case, and make the necessary defence, only to push through its limited nature, and we push through it by way of the defence, by way of pointing to its limited and contradictory nature, by arguing the need to replace its bureuacratic control with democratic workers control.
Arthur Bough
On a related to note...
I'm interested to know what your position on trade unions are in relation to the co-operative movement.
On an unrelated note...
AWL printed an article about Tesco(http://www.workersliberty.org/node/view/4171) in which it said each Tesco worker makes the company £95,000. I'm not disputing the number (it's probably alot higher) but how was it worked out? Was it simply net profit divided by no. of workers or are there other factors I'm missing? If its' correct the average Tesco worker would only have to work 5 and a half hours to earn thier weekly wage, the other 31 and a half goes to the company. I think it works out an 18/82% split. If you have any idea or even any links it would be appreciated.
Trade Unions and Co-operatives
Workers even in a workers co-operative should still belong to a Trade UNion, and exercise Trade Union rights for a number of reasons. Firstly, the Co-operative has to be integrated into the wider class struggle, and TRade UNions are the basic organisational form of that struggle. It provides a direct link with other workers. Secondly,and esp[ecially on an individual level weotrkers might have grievances against the employer, even though that employer includes themselves. The individual workers must retain the right to defend their own interests against the collective, jst as within any democratic society an individual retains their own individual rights to be defended against oppression, or unfairness by the society as a whole.
On TESCO, I recall the figures from a while back. To be honest if I recal corectly I thought there was something a buit iffy about the economics/accountancy involved, but couldn't be arsed to look into it further. You would have to ask the AWL for the basis of the figures.
Arthur Bough
Long time no speak comrade
This isn't really to do with co-ops (well maybe in some way) but I've got a question that I can't seem to find any info on, how is the value of the land itself calculated? Did Marx ever write about this, I've scanned Capital but not come up with much, I was wondering if you knew
Useful skills for a different society.
I think it is undeniable that co-operatives are part of the solution. Participating in a co-op opens your eyes to just how easy it is to be a worker, a manager, an administrator and a decision maker. A co-op should also educate its members about participatory democracy (respectful debate and discussion) in a day to day way that traditional politics has no interest in doing.
Mr Bough says it could take decades to learn the skills that necessitated Bureaucrats taking over previous revolutions and I guess in the instance of the Russian experience many of the participants may have been illiterate and innumerate but even so I’d put the time frame at years rather than decades.
Now we touch on the reason I left the AWL. Bureaucrats form a class in society, in a very Marxist sense of the word. A Bureaucratised revolution is a revolution of the Bureaucratic class (indeed Marx called Russia Bureaucratic Feudal following Mr Bough’s point that the revolutionary class gradually builds its mode of production within the old before the contradiction is resolved by violent revolution).
We also touch on what is wrong with most co-ops (where I went after being an AWL activist). So far no mention has been made of the two types of co-op. There are worker’s co-ops and consumer co-ops. In a worker’s co-op the body politic is the employees. In a consumer co-op the service users have the votes.
I have very little experience of worker’s co-ops, large examples are usually only formed when a capitalist venture fails but many small examples exist where friends get together to make a company.
Consumer co-ops seem to become less ‘co-op like’ the larger they get. The monolithic Co-op (bank, supermarket, farms, funerals etc.) as has been said before resembles Stalinist organisation more than socialist, it is a poor employer and poorer service provider. Housing co-ops limit the franchise to people who live there and are more likely to have a political life but many large organisations are called housing co-ops when they really have only the most limited input from tenants.
Now here I could go on about co-op theory, the maximum size of a co-op, the number of simultaneous human interrelations possible, organisational work arounds and trail off into a blue print for building socialism out of a strong co-op movement but I really haven’t got anything worthwhile to say about it and I’m not convinced that it would have any meaning.
Everything here that can be said about co-ops can also be said about trades unions. Trades unions are also great places for workers to learn the skills they will need to take over the world (better than consumer co-ops) and they are stuffed up with Bureaucrats.
Some Other Interesting Quotes from Marx
In a totally separate discussion here on Page 2 starting with the post "A Willing Anarchist (unfortunately I couldn't get a direct link to work to the post) I give some interesting quotes from Marx taken from his "Critique of the Gotha Programme".
Marx not only outlines why socialists should not advise workers to make pleas to the bourgeois state for aid - because a) it sows illusions in the bouregois state as being likely to respond, b) because as Marx points out "Right" can only extend to what the given level of economic development can allow, and c) it merely emphasises the servile nature of the working class and its dependence on the ruling class whereas the job of socialists is to raise the working class off its knees, and demonstrate in practice to it that is is capable of running society itself. He also points out in this respect precisely why it is that co-operatives are progressive, precisely he says because they are the creations of the working class independent from the bourgeoisie, and the bourgeois state - a state which rather than making appeals to, strengthening by enlarging its sphere of influence, it is the job of socialists to undermine, to restrict, and ultimately to smash.
Marxists of today would do well to study the Critique carefully. It is a refreshing antidote to the infection of statism and petit-bouregois socialism which infects the movement. But they would do well also to take account of Marx's other comment in relation to the fusion of the German socialist forces that brought about the Gotha Programme, that one step forward of real movement is worth a dozen Programmes, and his comments along with Engels in the Communist Manifesto that the Communists do not form a separate Party to the other Workers Parties, not to mention Engels elaboration of that point at the end of his life to the American socialists telling them to live up to that advice, and build selflessly the Workers Party on no matter how inadequate a Programme to begin with.
Arthur Bough
Looks interesting
I'll have to read the full article tommorow and let you know what I think
Thanks
A Slightly Pedantic Point
Strictly speaking, it is wrong to describe TESCO workers as creating profit - for TESCO or anyone else. According to Marxist economic theory profit is merely a form of surplus value along, with rent, interest, taxes etc. But according to Marx all surplus value is created in the sphere of production. The circuit of Capital is M - C - M. Money exchanges for commodities which are then exchanged for Money. In respect of Merchant Capital, the merchant starts with a sum of Money Capital and exchanges this for commodities. The merchant then sells these commodities hopefully for a larger sum of money. But in this circuit of Merchant Capital no new value is created. The Merchant effectively makes a profit as a result of buying low and selling high i.e. they either buy goods from the prodcuer below their value, or sell them to the buyer above their value, or both. In Theories of Surplus Value Marx attributes the theory of this form of profit to Steuart who describes it as Profit on Appropriation. Steuart, and after him Adam Smith and Marx demonstrrated that no new value can be created simply through exchange i.e. trade, new value can only be created through production. This is important because orthodox economics DSOES try to slip in the idea that exchange can create new value, it describes it as the Consumer's surplus i.e. that Value )subjectively determined) that the consumer appropriates in buying goods at prices below their Marginal Utility -effectively the price they would have been prepared to pay for these goods.
Marx elaborates the form of the circulation of Capital in respect of Production to M - C - C - M1. Here the Capitalist begins with a sum of money Capital with which he buys Commodities, but this time commodities not to sell directly, but with which to undertake production. That is he buys machines, raw materials, and labour power. Of these the former can only transfer their value into the finished product. Labour Power, however, can create new value, for the simple reason that the value of labour power is its price of production, what it takes to reproduce the class of wage workers. But once employed the workers can work not just long enough to replace this cost, but additional time over and above that. IN this additional time they create new value over and above what the capitalist had paid for, laid out in Capital. This constitutes the Surplus Value.
Marx sets out how originally the Capitalist would need to employ some of his Capital as Money Capital, on hand to pay wages and meet all eventualities, some would be employed as productive capital, actually embodied in factories, materials, and labour power, and some would have to be set aside to ensure that once producedthe goods could be sold. But quickly it became apparent that if Capital specialised in these three separate areas it could become more efficient. So some Capital separates off as Money Capital - the Banks and Finance Houses etc. Some specialises in production, whilst a third section specialisis in selling. The Money capitalists lend to the productive capitalists so that the industrial capitalist does not have to keep money tied up as money that could otherwise have been used in production. In return the Money Capitalist gets a share of the Surplus Value produced in production, paid out as Interest. The merchant Capitalist because they can buy from a range of producers etc. can effect big savings in retailing. Yhese costs would otherwise have had to be born by the industrial capitalist in order to realise the surplus value already produced, and thereby reducing their profit. The industrial capitalist, therefore, sells to the Commercial Capitalist goods below their value - the traditional function of the merchant Capitalist - thus enabling the merchant Capitalist to sell these goods at their Value, and still realise a Profit. But the important point here is that the merchant capitalist - in this case TESCO - does not PRODUCE this profit, they only facilitate its realisation. Whereas there is an in built drive for Productive Capital to always expand - because the more Capital employed productively the more profit is created - Capital as a whole has an incentive to try to minimise the amount of Commercial Capital employed, because it represents a cost, a drain on the surplus Value created in production.
It does not look that way for the simple reason that some of these merchant Capitalists like TESCO are very big and powerful in their own right. Indeed so big and powerful that they are able to use their bargaining power to drain surplus value from smaller producers to an extent that threatens the small producers - as has happened with Milk production. Last year Gillette the producer of shaving and other products merged with Procter and Gamble. Both of these were very large companies, but they merged for the simpl reason that their main customer - Wal-Mart - is so big in the US that it could dictate prices to them. They merged in order to be able to exercise a countervailing bargaining power.
Similar conflicts exist between productive capital and Money Capital, and these represent some of the contradictions of Capitalism elaborated by Marx. They also demosnatret why in some instances Capital does not speak with a single voice, and this is reflcted at the level of the state.
This is linked to another issue which there is not time or spece to elaborate here, which is the discussion of Productive and Unproductive Labour. Generally speaking when Marx speaks of Productive labour he means Labour which is Productive of Surplus Value, but he also speaks of Labour being productive which exchanges with Capital as opposed to Revenue. This is important because for example Taxes are Revenue, and therefore, Labour employed by Governments paid for from Revenue is technically unproductive. IN respect of some Government employees this is clear. Adam Smith was most vociferous on this issue in relation to the sumns paid out to the clergy, and politicians. More contentiously it could be argued that a Nurse employed in the NHS is unproductive, whereas the same nurse employed by a private hospital, and therefore, whose labour is exchanged with Capital as opposed to Revenue, is productive. But to elaborate these issues which have been at the heart of some complex debates in Marxist economics would take more time and space than is available here.
Arthur Bough
Quick Answer
Martina,
The answers to your question lie in Capital and Theories of Surplus Value (Fourth Volume of Capital) in the sections on Rent.
Marx says that the value of land is capitalised Rent. I have previously written a blog on here on Marx's Theory of Rent questioning whether he got it right or not, and that might give you some background to his Theory of Rent. Essentially Marx describes two types of Rent. The first type is Differential Rent, which was first theorised by Ricardo. It basically says that landowners can charge a higher Rent to tenants on land which is naturally more productive, and therefore more profitable. Orthodox uses the same theory nowadays to demonstrate why shop rents are higher on a busy City thoroughfare than in a High Street in a small town. But Ricardo argued that because the easiest most productive land would always be used first then increased demand for food would lead to less fertile land being used later, and thereby making land where Differential Rent previously could not be charged, now subject to such Rent.
Marx demonstrated this was wrong. There are many reasons why more productive land is not cultivated first. For example it may be further away from settlements, it may require Capital expenditure for drainiage etc. which only has its effect after some years, land which is not originally fertile may become fertile after years of farming, and treatment and so on. Marx shows that all that is required is this difference in productivity whatever order the lands of different quality are borught into production.
Secondly, he outlines Absolute or Ground Rent. Ricardo rejected the possibility of Absolute Rent. Marx shows that because land is monopolised - its ownership comes to society through a historical process in which classes have taken hold of its private possession - the owners of land are able to utilise that monopoly position. In his schema for the transformation of Exchange Values into prices Marx shows how those industries where the Organic Composition of Capital is low i.e. the proportion of Constant Capital (Machinery, Raw Materials etc) to Variable Capital (Labour Power) then prices will be lower than the Exchange Value, and vice versa. In effect all the surplus value produced in the economy can be seen as being thrown into a big pool and shared out according to the quantity of Capital employed by each Capitalist, thereby creating an average rate of profit. I was going to write a blog about how this process actually works, but never had the time to complete it. I will perhaps find a way to publish it once I have time.
However, in agriculture the monoipoly ownership of the land means that the surplus value created is not thrown into this pot. Capitalists wishing to invest in agriculture, like every other Capitalist will merely, and at least want to make average profits. But because the organic composition of Capital in agriculture is lower than for industry agricultural products are mosre costly priced by Exchange Value than by Market Price. The difference between the two allows the landlord to use his monopoly position to charge an Absolute Ground Rent. IN short a proportion of the Surplus Value created in Agriculture is siphopned off by the landlord before these products take part in the overall distribution of Capital. But for the Capitalist farmer he is still able to make average profit. So even on hte least fertile land in use a rent is charged. The combination of these two rents, The Absolute Rent and the Differential Rent, make up the total Rent on the farm.
Marx argues that it is this Rent which is Capitalised i.e. a theoretical lifespan of say 20 years is used to calculate how much Rent would have been collected over that period, which then gives the price of land. Its interesting that in the 19th century many bouregois economists argued for the nationalisation of land, so that thereby the rent could be collected by the State - a bourgeois state - rather than the Landlords, and could thereby reduce other forms of taxation.
Marx's theory was vindicate by the experience of the US and other countries opened up. On the Virgin soil where there was no history of land ownership as had built up in Europe there could be no Ground Rent. Moreover, his point on Differential Rent was proved as more and more fertile land was brought in production as settlers moved West. The experience proved another point. Capitalists on the coast had to pay high wages, ebcause they could not retain workers. As soon as workers saved enough money to move out they bought land, and set up their own farms demonstrating the fallacy often put up by some bourgeois ideologists that workers are workers because they prefer to be so, that they prefer to work for someone else,a nd avoid the risk of the entrepreneur and other such apologistic crap.
Arthur Bough
Brief Comment
Jimi,
1) I do not beleive that burueacracies form, naturally, a class in the Marxist sense. They undoubtedly form a social strata, an elite within a particular class, but they are always dependent ultimately on that class, and the Mode of production that arises on the back of the class rule of that class. That is why I disagree with all the nonsense about Bureuacratic Collectivist societies which is totally un Marxist. Under specific condiitons a bureaucracy CAN form a caste such as happened with the Asiatic Mode of production, but such a development requires a whole sociological and ideological pnaoply of strict rulesand taboos such as those societies possessed that ensures that control of the state and means of production remain in the hands of that Brahmin caste or Dynasty. None of those things exist/ed in any of the societies put forward by either the Left Wing(Burnham/Shachtman et al) or Ultra Right Wing (Burnham/Hayek/Mises et al)theorists of Bureuacratic Collectivism. I do not accept Michels Iron Law of Oligarchy, and beleive it is possible to put in place measures to prvent the dominance of burueacracies/elites provided the necessary social development of the class controlling those elites has occurred. The problem with Leninism is that it creates the conditions for the bureaucracy BEFORE it creates the conditions for the necessary social development of the class.
2. I agree about the difference between consumer and producer co-operatives. What I find worrying from a socialist perspective is the fact that socialists DO NOT even take up the opportunity to take part in the democratic activity of the CO-OP, yet expect that workers somehow will do precisely that AFTER the revolution. You are absolutely right about the working condiitons etc in the Co-op. That ought to be a good reason for socialists and Trade Unionists to take an active part in its democratic control, and fight for its transformation into a workers, and consumer's co-operative.
3. I agree with your point about Co-ops and Trade Unions. I AM NOT proposing Co-ops as some form of Utopian alternative to class struggle. I think its interesting to read some of Marx's other comments about Robert Owen separate from the well known ones in Capital. Marx makes clear that it was in fact the followers of Owen that he was getting at as the Utopians not owen himself. Owen certainly didn't have the same vision of class struggle that Marx had, there were certainly large elements of Utopianism in his thinking as the subsequent communes he set up demonstrated. BUt he was we should also remember the person that attempted to establish what was undoubtedly anorgan of class struggle - the Grand National Consolidated Trade Union - and he actively supported many workers strikes and struggles.
What marx was getting at as Utopian was the idea that Co-ops or Communes could be set up as self-sustaining ventures AS AN ALTERNATIVE to class struggle, whereas in fact they are merely A PART of that struggle, but I think a vital part not just because of the points that Marx illustrates of the workers taking back the means of production here and now, and of building the new Mode of production in the bosom of the old, but also as you say for changing the world view of the working class in praxis, undermining the potential for the future society becoming dominated by specialists and burueacrats etc.
But, the other point I have tried to emphasise, and which addresses the points you have amde in relation to the weaknesses of Co-ops is that precisley becuase they form a part of the class struggle, their role cannot be divorced from the class struggle, and most importantly from the need to build a Workers Party, a party different from all others, a Party whose main function is not the winning of parliamentary majorities, but of organising, educating, and propagandising within the working class to raise its class conscioussness. The work of that Party cannot be divorced from the day to day activity within each Co-operative, linking its activities with the class struggle in general, and building ever closer links between workers in one enterprise with those in others, with workers in co-operative housing ventures etc. A Party which in short breaks the logjam of bourgeois ideology and its hold over the working class even its most advanced sections.
Arthur Bough
Agreed
Tesco does own some production and seems to be expanding in this area, obviously because of the surplas value being controlled directly by the company and the higher potential for capital, but in regards to the commercial side of the business I'd have to agree with you. It makes sense when you see Japan launching "staff-less", automated grocery stores. I'll be campaining tomorrow to get home shopping closed down.
In relation to capital vs revenue, I'm not sure I understand. Would the Govt/state not act as the capitalist in this case? (albeit an ineffective one)
Too Long and Complex
I think the simple answer to your question is that it all depends. Its a very complex argument, and Marxist economists disagree over it, so I wouldn't like to eevn try to summarise my argument here in any meaningful way.
It basically comes down to this. Is the "Capital" employed by the state really Capital. There are certain aspects in which it clearly could be seen as Capital - for instance utilised for productive purposes such as Steel production, especially where reinvestment was made out of the surplus value created by the workers in the industry. But even there there is a problem. Capital can only truly be described as such if it is necessary within the laws of Capitalist accumulation.
Let me try to give a simple example. If I use "Capital" to produce widgets for which there is no demand, then those widgets have no exchange-value - because a commodity can only have exchange-value if it has use-value. In effect the "Capital" used to produce the widgets did not act as Capital at all, or at least the Capital employed was destroyed because it could not be replaced. Now assume that in effect the exchange-value of the widgets is actually realised by the widget manufacturer, not as actual sales, but because the widget manufacturer has the power of the state to collect this sum in taxes. He is then able to use it to produce another load of unsaleable widgets.
I think most economists would agree what what is being replaced here through this process is not Capital. The process is manifest when it is a private capitalist that is or is not able to reproduce their capital through being able or unable to sell their goods. It is not clear when it is a state, and the reproduction is done through the collection of tax.
Arthur Bough
Sloppy
Martina,
I realised whilst walking the dog last night that my response was very sloppy in the use of terms. You asked about the "value" of land. In fact land has a use value, but not an exchange-value. My explanation was in fact that which Marx gives to explain how land can have a "price" even though it does not have an exchange-value. Land is not alone in this. Any use value that does not have an exchange value i.e. is not the product of socially necessary labour, can have a price if certain condiitons such as those outlined in relation to land exist. In some respects Money has this property, or at least time preference in relation to money. If A owns money, and B needs money B can borrow money from A. The "price" that B has to pay for this money i.e. their time preference for its use now, as opposed to A's time preference to lend it is the interest to be paid upon it. The situation arises becauses of a relative monopoly of the ownership of money. Marx says that interest i.e. the price of money is the only example where the price is purely a function of supply and demand.
But other examples can be found of this monopoly creating "rent" as in the case of land - in fact where any monopoly exists.
If we go back to the transformation problem I alluded to earlier the process basically operates like this. If we take an industry with a low organic composition of Capital the surplus value of its products is high because of the relative size of labour-power in the process, relative to the Capital outlay. There is a high rate of profit. The consequence is that Capital from other spheres of production enter this industry in search of this high rate of profit. If we assume that we begin from an initial position of equilibrium between Supply and demand then the increase in supply that results means that prices are forced down below exchange-values. As a result of the fall in price demand will increase to soak up some of the icnreased supply, but exactly how much depends upon the price elasticity of demand. Marx himself refers to this pre-emting the theory of price elasticity by several decades. If I recall correctly he uses the example of Sheffield knives. A fall in price he says will create new demand, but not necessarily enough demand to make up for the fall in price because consumers only have a certain need of knives whatever their price may fall to.
The consequence is that in these industries the rate of profit will then fall back towards the average. Likewise in those industries where the organic composition of Capital is high the rate of profit would begin low. Capital would migrate to the former industries. Again if we begin from a position where supply and demand are in equilibrium this reduction in Capital employed will reduce supply. The relative shortfall of supply to demand will cause prices to rise above exchange-values, and again taking into account the effects of price elasticity the rate of profit will rise towards the average.
Its on this basis that some Soviet economists argued that Capitalism always under invests in Capital equipment, and thereby grows more slowly than an economy that bases its calculations on exchange values, because in the producer goods industries the organic composition of Capital is always higher than in the Consumer goods industries.
However, consider the situation similar to land where an industry is dominated by a monopolist. By definition the monopolist can effectively restrict entry of new Capital into the industry. Thereby, the reduction in market price and the rate of profit does not occur. The monopolist like the landowner is able to take a slice out of the excess of exchange-value over market price, as a super profit or rent.
Such monopolies are rare, in fact the more usual feature is of oligopoly where the industry is dominated by a few large firms, but the same law basically applies. Empirical evidence backs up the thesis of the US Economist Paul Sweezy that such firms tend not to introduce price cuts, because their competitors follow suit, whereas they do not automatically follow suit where prices are raised. Consequently, price wars between such companies are very damaging. It is one reason that since the beginning of the last century these large companies have used their influence with central banks to create inflation whenever it looked likely that nominal price cuts would become necessary.
Where an actual monopoly does not exist large firms try to create the same effect. Hence branding. The whole purpose of a brand name is to be able to have a product that no other producer can produce, or at least they might be able to produce what is an identical product but in the mind of the consumer is not the same because it does not have the right label. In a similar vein is stratified marketing. The cklassic example is soap powder. The two soap powder manufacturers P&G and Lever Brothers did not compete against each other on price, but through advertising. They had many different branded soap powders all of which contained virtually identical soap powder. But some brands they would price highly, put in specially designed boxes, and advertise them for the discerning middle class consumer. Exactly the same soap powder they would put in a different box, and advertise it aimed at working class consumers. By this means they could soak the middle class for a higher price than they charged to the working class, and thereby make a bigger profit.
Hope that helps.
Arthur Bough
Thank you
I remembered seeing something about land value but couldn't think where. The reason I asked was to do with property such as real estate. Is the price of housing determined in the same way as "productive" land, and does the price of land rise with an increased population and vice versa? Why is a house in Liverpool worth £2,000 and the same house in london £50,000? Thanks again for your help
Brief Reply
I think that what has to be borne in mind is that the Labour Theory of Value is intended as an explanation of the way the value of commodities is determined in production. The reason it is so important within the context of Marxism is the fact that it is the only way of really understanding the dynamics of capitalism as an economic system. But in Vol III of Capital for instance Marx sets out various modifications to the application of the theory. Prices and Exchange Values are not the same for the simple reason that under capitalism Capital moves to where it can make the highest rate of profit, and that rate is affected by the way Capital is made up. As with orthodox economics the theory assumes a certain ideal situation, what in orthodox economics would be called a perfect market. Yet we know that in reality no such perfection exists, so modifications to take account of monoply for instance have to be made. For some things like interest rates, Marx says that they aree determined purely by the interaction of Supply and Demand. And of course, as with your housing query, many things that are bought and sold on the market are not new commodities, but commodities which are being resold. Its possible to create a theory which accounts for depreciation on an old car, so that you deduct it from the initial value and so on to arrive at what a resale value should be, but it is unlikely to be very useful, because these prices are more likely to be determined by constant fluctuations in supply and demand for the vast number of second-hand cars on the market. Having siad that their value is clearly linked back to the value of new cars.
Orthodox economics spends a lot of time developing theories to give explanations of this price formation. Even so much of what is produced still remains in the realm of theory. Its very difficult even with the modern Operations Management tools to obtain accurate data in order to give accurate calculations. But from a Marxist perspective much of this is irrelevant because our main concern is not to be able to predict what individual prices might be, but to udnerstand the working of the system, and thereby the way exploitation occurs etc.
We will need to understand more in terms of Operations Management - a lot of whose mathematical techniques were actually initially developed by Soviet planners - in order to bring the amrekt more udner control when the time arises. Ironically, when (if) we reach a stage where much of the economy is planned the requirement becomes less.
I tried to explain this to a follower of the Austrian School once. If you consider growing tomatoes outside, the calculations are complex. You don't know too much what is happening in the soil, what the weather might do, temperataure, sunlight, rainfall etc. So predicting what the crop might be requires a lot of calculations and variables, many of which are outside your control. If you grow tomatoes in a greenhouse where you know exactly the make-up of the soil, directly control the temperature, watering, feeding etc. of the tomatoes then provided you know in advance the respective coefficients of each on tomatoe growth the calculation of size, weight, and crop is fairly straightforward. That is the difference between a planned and a market economy.
Arthur Bough
Illusions
The commune in Ralahine survived only because the owner was able to live off the surplus production of the worker. To me this paticular commune seems to be a front for another capitalist venture, in which we find (accordingly) the same tricks used to enslave the masses (albeit a small mass). What is different (and the reason I believe you have some faith in this society) is the peasantary element. The workers "owned" the means of production. But this was just an illusion, for how long would they own production if they failed thier payments to the land owner? Not too long I should think, when the same land could be used for capital rather than a failing social experiment. And this was all to proven when the land owner fell into debt and had to sell up. Which ever way you look at the situation freedom to live only existed as long as one mans capital could be sustained, capitalism. Once that had gone, the commune quickly disappeared.
In my personal opinion communism, co-ops and even unions cannot be achieved until capitalism/business is removed from all areas of goverment. Only when we have unity between all people can we start to prioritise the needs of society, and that will happen only when we hit rock bottom. Pockets of "utopia," although proof of communism in the practise of its members, has no comparison with true communism as its very definition requires all members of society to play an equal part, that land owner did not, and neither will any other.
Brief response
I think the response to your argument in relation to Ralahine and the landlord was given by Connolly in the piece. Connolly says that had the co-operative not had to pay the landlord then its progress would have been even greater. Your reference to it as "failing" is quite clearly wrong as the details provided by Connolly show. It was succeeding economically despite the payments to the landlord. That in itself is I think vindication of the argument I and Marx was making about the innate superiority of such economic forms.
The lesson here is not that such co-operatives then must necessarily fail, but that the conditions under which life is made more difficult such as payments to a landlord, or high interest charges need to be addressed and removed. In the case of Ralahine for instance had the workers been able to buy the land, then the payments to the landlord would not have been an issue, and the ultimate dissolution of the co-operative by a new owner of the land could not have occurred.
The more significant problem for co-operatives has in fact been the issue of continued operations in the face of capitalist economic crisis. That was true of many of the textile co-operatives referred to by Marx in Capital for instance. In short it doesn't matter how efficient you are if capitalist crisis strikes and demand for products disappears you still can't sell. I have tried to address that point in the post I have linked to above.
It is indeed a problem, but to an extent the innate superiority of the co-operative form still gives advantages over the capitalist form. It means that in any downturn the co-operative should still be better placed to retain market share, but it certainly does not isolate it from lay-offs etc. The answer to that is the spread of the co-operative form, and the greater integration of these co-operatives individual business plans, the integration of the co-operative into the life of the neighbourhood in which it is located in the vein of the Xanon factory, so that production and resources can be switched to alternatives useful for the community when a downturn in demand occurs.
I am afraid my perspective is diametrically opposed to yours. You argue that communism is only possible when everyone comes to the conclusion that it is necessary and is prepared to act upon that, and that such a situation will only occur when we reach rock bottom. I am afraid that all historical precedent shows that the closer we come to rock bottom the less likely workers are to fight back, the more they are likely to be cowed, to fall prey to reactionary ideas such as racism and fascism. It is on the contrary when things are improving, when workers can raise their heads and fight for some self esteem, and a stronger social presence that they begin to take on board socialist ideas. I simply want to create conditions in which they can raise their heads higher, and for longer by removing the condition that always causes their head to bow their divorce from ownership of the means of production.
Arthur Bough
Rock bottom
I agree completely that Ralahine and other similar examples of co-ops and communes prove beneficial to thier inhabitants. I wouldn't be writing if not. My referrence to failing is more in the context of inevitability due to the ecconomic turmoil of external markets, the fact the commune is still vunerable from the capitalist and the power a few men hold on them. Let us say that the idea of the commune takes off in Ireland. They may "own" the land they work but they still pay taxes, revenues and tributes to a system they are in oppossition to, therefore only strengthening the ideal they try to escape. The nature of communism benefits all who deal with her. The same capitalist who screws his friends of basic freedoms is not going to think twice about doing it to an inhabitant of a commune, in his eyes all are the same. And what extra protection do your communes and co-ops give you against this? It is the capitalist who is always on the "offensive" so until he is out of the equation we will keep getting "offended".
I think your comments on rock bottom may be a little too quick also. I don't believe we have hit the ground yet, since everyday things get worse. I wonder if the survivors of WW1 believed they had hit rock bottom, only to see 20 or so years later Japan go up in the biggest firework display of the 20th cent? When we do fall we're going to know about it.
It seems to me you take a reformist stand point of which I can have no objection for you argue for my rights, but the arguments mean nothing to those you aim them at. If they did we wouldn't have to keep on arguing. How many years since the first unions and how much have we achieved? Also remember, (and I'll make this brief cause I'm crackered) Marx warned about entire states turning bougouise living of other less developed countries. As each day passes more people are sucked into the greed of capitalism and given the choice, between owning the means of production or owning production and having to work it aswell, we have already seen the choice the majority have made. And that is my point, you can't ask these people to give up thier way of living, they'll refuse you, or throw you a couple of crumbs and call it negotiating. We have to demand it, these are our rites being stripped from us day after day to aid the bougouise in enslaving the working class, I don't need to discuss anything with any capitalist, they'll realise their errors when they hit rock bottom, and only then will they listen, when it is NECESSARY to them.
But I have not said that
If you read what I said above and what I said in the post I linked to "Some New Thinking" I have specifically made the point that I am not arguing from a syndicalist perspective i.e. I am not saying that socialism can come solely in the industrial sphere whether that is taken as being in the spirit of more militancy as the SWP used to argue, or simply of workers workers taking hold gradually of factories.
I pointed out that capitalists would resist even this latter option for all the reasons you outline. The reason I point that out is because I am not a reformist, but a revolutionary. But a revolutionary does not have to see revolution as solely being in the form of a Political revolution as Leninists and you seem to believe. On the contrary all previous social revolutions have occurred almost behind the scenes, they involve the growing over of one mode of production to another, and within that the ascendancy of a new ruling class and the diminution of the old ruling class. That is precisely the process that Marx describes above in the development of an ever extending growth of co-operative enterprises, slowly or not so slowly removing workers from the necessity of selling their labour to proivate capitalists, and instead gaining a tihter grasp on the means of production, and from that the levers of power.
But of course alongside that must also occur a political struggle. That political struggle in todays liberal bourgeois democracies involves the creation of mass workers parties committed to the concept of the working class freeing itself from capitalist epxloitation. It requires that the workers co-operatives should not be subject to high rates of taxation as just another means of exploiting the workers within them etc. But the more the workers themselves are freed from expoitation by private capitalism the more they find that they can control their own industries and communities the more confident they will become, the stronger they will become, and the more they will be able to ensure that such workers parties are elected, held accountable to those objectives etc. And because all of these actions will be legitimate it will at every stage be the capitalists that are forced to respond by illegitimate means, and in so doing will demon